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truly, let people do what they want in thier property, specially when they are building, hacking and making things for better. This is the spirit we should uph

by suyash 4y ago

truly, let people do what they want in thier property, specially when they are building, hacking and making things for better. This is the spirit we should uphold and celebrate not punish in this country.

joyeuse6701 4y ago
Working on a car on grass is an environmental issue. Oil and coolant are toxic. Owning property lets you do a lot of things, but not everything i.e. making such a mess or danger that you affect your neighbors, like never cleaning up dog shit causing a fly problem, or making a neighborhood unseemly by turning a house into a junkyard. I’m sympathetic to the man, that’s a massive fine, but it seems self inflicted when he could have obeyed the ruling, and sued the city at his leisure, avoiding the penalty costs.
- javajosh 4y ago
  I wish the reporter had dug into a few more things: first, the impact on the neighbor. Did they just not like the look of it, or was there more? Second, what options he had to mitigate this. Was it the grass that was the problem, and could that have been mitigated by putting down some sort of fluid catching surface, could that have helped? My instinct is to support the old man who fixes things, but I'm cautious in coming to conclusions. He might have been doing real harm to his neighbor, or to the environment. He may have had reasonable outs and been stubborn and not taken them. We don't know enough, and I think that's a failure in journalism.
- salawat 4y ago
  Property owner fences in backyard: Check Property Owner maintains vehicles: check Property owner owns propane and and gas powered generator for tools, keeps them within back yard: Check Californian having an aneurysm because someone uses their personal space in a way they don't like or understand: Check The absurdity is strong with this one. Oil is only an issue when changing or leaking, and even then only the once. If you've changing it, or have leaks, use a pan. If he's not doing that, charge him with that. It's not like simply having a car on the grass emits a wave of environmental destruction? Stop harassing the man. And if they're citing people for fruit on the grass, I want to see citations for leaves in autumn, yard furniture, hoses, sprinklers, bicycles, children's toys, planter boxes, and landscaping materials. Y'all would probably have a fit over composting.
- illuminerdy 4y ago
  There's probably a middle ground where persons can be allowed to use their private property for businesses such as the one in this case, while still being subject to reasonable regulations that prevent environmental abuse and other such issues.
jen729w 4y ago
Aaaaahhhhh I’ll play a bit of the Devil’s advocate here and say: you don’t live next door. It might well be the case that living next door to this guy is hell on Earth. You shouldn’t just be allowed to do what you want just because you own a block of suburban land. We live in a society.
- Clubber 4y ago
  I seriously doubt it. Working on cars isn't noisy. Had he been a chainsaw sculptor, maybe. My comment was on the amount they thought was ok to fine him and the fact a judge didn't find it excessive. I suspect it was more of a bureaucratic, "you will respect my authorit-a" type thing and the judge didn't keep them in check.
  - havelhovel 4y ago
    > Working on cars isn't noisy. That is not my experience at any mechanic's shop ever! And even without all the fancy tools, my neighbor was banging on their engine for hours just last weekend. Maybe they don't know what they're doing, and therefore it doesn't count as work, but it sure was loud.
  - cafard 4y ago
    It's not clear to me that he was working on cars. Thinking about working on cars, planning to work on cars, sure.
- sillysaurusx 4y ago
  Playing devil’s advocate is fun, but you don’t know. And it’s hard to imagine how fixing a car could be hell on earth for the neighbors. Listen to how it sounds. It’s over half a million dollars for fixing a car, man (woman; I wish there was a gender neutral term that had the same flexibility, since “bud” just sounds aggressive).
  - Shog9 4y ago
    It's trivial to imagine, if you've ever worked on a car, had a "car guy" neighbor, lived near a service shop, etc. Many cars are neither quiet nor do they confine their emissions to property boundaries.
kmbfjr 4y ago
Let me know how you feel when your neighbor starts animal rendering and leather tanning at scale.
- tacoluv 4y ago
  Making them homeless might be a bit of an overkill for that transgression, no?

by suyash 4y ago

joyeuse6701 4y ago

Working on a car on grass is an environmental issue. Oil and coolant are toxic. Owning property lets you do a lot of things, but not everything i.e. making such a mess or danger that you affect your neighbors, like never cleaning up dog shit causing a fly problem, or making a neighborhood unseemly by turning a house into a junkyard. I’m sympathetic to the man, that’s a massive fine, but it seems self inflicted when he could have obeyed the ruling, and sued the city at his leisure, avoiding the penalty costs.

javajosh 4y ago
I wish the reporter had dug into a few more things: first, the impact on the neighbor. Did they just not like the look of it, or was there more? Second, what options he had to mitigate this. Was it the grass that was the problem, and could that have been mitigated by putting down some sort of fluid catching surface, could that have helped? My instinct is to support the old man who fixes things, but I'm cautious in coming to conclusions. He might have been doing real harm to his neighbor, or to the environment. He may have had reasonable outs and been stubborn and not taken them. We don't know enough, and I think that's a failure in journalism.
salawat 4y ago
Property owner fences in backyard: Check Property Owner maintains vehicles: check Property owner owns propane and and gas powered generator for tools, keeps them within back yard: Check Californian having an aneurysm because someone uses their personal space in a way they don't like or understand: Check The absurdity is strong with this one. Oil is only an issue when changing or leaking, and even then only the once. If you've changing it, or have leaks, use a pan. If he's not doing that, charge him with that. It's not like simply having a car on the grass emits a wave of environmental destruction? Stop harassing the man. And if they're citing people for fruit on the grass, I want to see citations for leaves in autumn, yard furniture, hoses, sprinklers, bicycles, children's toys, planter boxes, and landscaping materials. Y'all would probably have a fit over composting.
illuminerdy 4y ago
There's probably a middle ground where persons can be allowed to use their private property for businesses such as the one in this case, while still being subject to reasonable regulations that prevent environmental abuse and other such issues.

jen729w 4y ago

Aaaaahhhhh I’ll play a bit of the Devil’s advocate here and say: you don’t live next door. It might well be the case that living next door to this guy is hell on Earth. You shouldn’t just be allowed to do what you want just because you own a block of suburban land. We live in a society.

Clubber 4y ago
I seriously doubt it. Working on cars isn't noisy. Had he been a chainsaw sculptor, maybe. My comment was on the amount they thought was ok to fine him and the fact a judge didn't find it excessive. I suspect it was more of a bureaucratic, "you will respect my authorit-a" type thing and the judge didn't keep them in check.
- havelhovel 4y ago
  > Working on cars isn't noisy. That is not my experience at any mechanic's shop ever! And even without all the fancy tools, my neighbor was banging on their engine for hours just last weekend. Maybe they don't know what they're doing, and therefore it doesn't count as work, but it sure was loud.
- cafard 4y ago
  It's not clear to me that he was working on cars. Thinking about working on cars, planning to work on cars, sure.
sillysaurusx 4y ago
Playing devil’s advocate is fun, but you don’t know. And it’s hard to imagine how fixing a car could be hell on earth for the neighbors. Listen to how it sounds. It’s over half a million dollars for fixing a car, man (woman; I wish there was a gender neutral term that had the same flexibility, since “bud” just sounds aggressive).
- Shog9 4y ago
  It's trivial to imagine, if you've ever worked on a car, had a "car guy" neighbor, lived near a service shop, etc. Many cars are neither quiet nor do they confine their emissions to property boundaries.

kmbfjr 4y ago

Let me know how you feel when your neighbor starts animal rendering and leather tanning at scale.

tacoluv 4y ago
Making them homeless might be a bit of an overkill for that transgression, no?