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This is like worrying that wind turbines will stop the wind. They won't.

enchiridion 4y ago
No, it’s asking a question about our knowledge of the scale and power of the devices and forces involved. If it is a analog to wind turbines, the math will bear it out, but it’s a perfectly valid question to ask.
- drieddust 4y ago
  Exactly just a few decades ago CFC was a non issue, Lead caused no harm, smoking was good for health, and cocaine was a refreshing drink. Yet here we are again so full of ourselves that asking the question is unsettling.
  - politician 4y ago
    So we should keep doing the known harmful power generation methods (coal) instead of experimenting with new methods (deep sea turbines) out of a diffuse fear of the unknown consequences? It’s sad that this is such a common argument against progress. Where do people learn to think this way? Does it come from education? Failures in life?
    - manigandham 4y ago
      Nobody said that. The concern is that more information should be discovered about the effects, and that is usually done through experimentation. > ”Where do people learn to think this way? ” Where do people learn to create straw man arguments instead of actually replying to what was said?
    - mintyDijon 4y ago
      Have you ever heard the saying: "The grass is always greener on the otherside." I believe that's where this line of thinking comes from. Have you ever tried to change lanes because yours isn't moving, just to find that right after you change to your new lane it stops and your old lane picks up again? Man that sucks
    - drieddust 4y ago
      Nopes move fast and break things. Only issue is that Earth is not a software system which can be fixed with upgrades.
shiftpgdn 4y ago
We’re arguing semantics but on a big enough scale they would eventually. That’s why you don’t just line up 100 of them directly next to eachother.
- mattnewton 4y ago
  Agree that this is effectively arguing semantics, and it is taking energy from the wind. But the effect of each _is_ very small. There are definitely farms with >100 turbines close together. This one has >600 and has long runs of them close together. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_Wind_Energy_Center https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_Wind_Energy_Center
  - weaksauce 4y ago
    while that one produces more electricity, this one has about twice as many turbines in close proximity: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gorgonio_Pass_wind_farm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gorgonio_Pass_wind_farm
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xupybd 4y ago
There is a scale that they would. We are orders of magnitude away from that scale. It's an interesting line of thinking to imagine the scale required to significantly change the winds.

No, it’s asking a question about our knowledge of the scale and power of the devices and forces involved. If it is a analog to wind turbines, the math will bear it out, but it’s a perfectly valid question to ask.

drieddust 4y ago
Exactly just a few decades ago CFC was a non issue, Lead caused no harm, smoking was good for health, and cocaine was a refreshing drink. Yet here we are again so full of ourselves that asking the question is unsettling.
- politician 4y ago
  So we should keep doing the known harmful power generation methods (coal) instead of experimenting with new methods (deep sea turbines) out of a diffuse fear of the unknown consequences? It’s sad that this is such a common argument against progress. Where do people learn to think this way? Does it come from education? Failures in life?
  - manigandham 4y ago
    Nobody said that. The concern is that more information should be discovered about the effects, and that is usually done through experimentation. > ”Where do people learn to think this way? ” Where do people learn to create straw man arguments instead of actually replying to what was said?
  - mintyDijon 4y ago
    Have you ever heard the saying: "The grass is always greener on the otherside." I believe that's where this line of thinking comes from. Have you ever tried to change lanes because yours isn't moving, just to find that right after you change to your new lane it stops and your old lane picks up again? Man that sucks
  - drieddust 4y ago
    Nopes move fast and break things. Only issue is that Earth is not a software system which can be fixed with upgrades.

shiftpgdn 4y ago

We’re arguing semantics but on a big enough scale they would eventually. That’s why you don’t just line up 100 of them directly next to eachother.

mattnewton 4y ago
Agree that this is effectively arguing semantics, and it is taking energy from the wind. But the effect of each _is_ very small. There are definitely farms with >100 turbines close together. This one has >600 and has long runs of them close together. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_Wind_Energy_Center https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_Wind_Energy_Center
- weaksauce 4y ago
  while that one produces more electricity, this one has about twice as many turbines in close proximity: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gorgonio_Pass_wind_farm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gorgonio_Pass_wind_farm

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xupybd 4y ago

There is a scale that they would. We are orders of magnitude away from that scale. It's an interesting line of thinking to imagine the scale required to significantly change the winds.