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Seconded. I'm on an all-meat diet and I turned my health around thanks to it. Most often people who advocate eliminating meat look sickly, because they are.

BenjiWiebe 4y ago
Where do you get your dietary fiber from?
- lambdaba 4y ago
  I don't, turns out transit works fine (actually much better) without it. I won't speculate on whether this would apply to everybody but my hypothesis is my health issues stemmed from gut biome disregulation caused by - way too many causes to list - and somehow only total elimination of carbohydrates and plant matter fixes it.
hhjinks 4y ago
I'm happy that worked for you, but nutrition is too complex to make sweeping statements like that. Some scientists say that animal fats are unhealthy, while others correlate the increase in lifestyle diseases with the increased consumption of vegetable fats. We just don't know enough about how the body works.
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kzrdude 4y ago
I'm all for meat, fish and vegetables. That's the healthiest slice of the available foods. Any reason you've cut out vegetables entirely? I'd consider eating lots of green veg, while avoiding the starchy ones. My entrance point was AIP which basically forces one to do this.
- lambdaba 4y ago
  I think it has to do with gut biome somehow. I've seen excellent biome diversity scores from other people on the diet, but in my case it's from repeated experience with gradually eating more and more fruit (and nothing else), not necessarily large quantities even (though I did ocassionaly eat quite a lot apples). I haven't really tried with vegetables (not interested taste-wise), so it might be the carbs / fruit sugars that weren't great for my gut biome, which I suspect is messed up as it is for many people nowadays.
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st34m 4y ago
I never needed to turn around my health as a vegetarian. There's about a 99.999% chance that I'm stronger and faster than you, I wish I could demonstrate. You'd be embarrassed saying what you just said in front of me!
- Auracle 4y ago
  I believe vegetarians can be healthy. However, I’ve identified many people that were vegans just by their looks before they (inevitably) announced it. You’re supposed to be able to supplement your way in to what you need but either the majority don’t or they’re still missing something.
  - st34m 4y ago
    > I believe vegetarians can be healthy. There's no need for belief, all over the world vegetarians live around a decade longer. There could be any number of confounding factors of course but the burden of proof concerning health and diet is definitely on the pseudo-carnivores consuming their packaged flesh.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > There's no need for belief, all over the world vegetarians live around a decade longer. Controlling for wealth, total calories consumed, and a number of other known and suspected positive and negative contributors to longevity, quantity of meat eaten seems to end up positively correlated with longevity across the board. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/#!po=26.8421 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/#!po=26... The better conclusion might be that vegetarian is an elite affectation that is not as bad for you as the competing elite affectation of overeating.

BenjiWiebe 4y ago

Where do you get your dietary fiber from?

lambdaba 4y ago
I don't, turns out transit works fine (actually much better) without it. I won't speculate on whether this would apply to everybody but my hypothesis is my health issues stemmed from gut biome disregulation caused by - way too many causes to list - and somehow only total elimination of carbohydrates and plant matter fixes it.

hhjinks 4y ago

I'm happy that worked for you, but nutrition is too complex to make sweeping statements like that. Some scientists say that animal fats are unhealthy, while others correlate the increase in lifestyle diseases with the increased consumption of vegetable fats. We just don't know enough about how the body works.

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kzrdude 4y ago

I'm all for meat, fish and vegetables. That's the healthiest slice of the available foods. Any reason you've cut out vegetables entirely? I'd consider eating lots of green veg, while avoiding the starchy ones. My entrance point was AIP which basically forces one to do this.

lambdaba 4y ago
I think it has to do with gut biome somehow. I've seen excellent biome diversity scores from other people on the diet, but in my case it's from repeated experience with gradually eating more and more fruit (and nothing else), not necessarily large quantities even (though I did ocassionaly eat quite a lot apples). I haven't really tried with vegetables (not interested taste-wise), so it might be the carbs / fruit sugars that weren't great for my gut biome, which I suspect is messed up as it is for many people nowadays.

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st34m 4y ago

I never needed to turn around my health as a vegetarian. There's about a 99.999% chance that I'm stronger and faster than you, I wish I could demonstrate. You'd be embarrassed saying what you just said in front of me!

Auracle 4y ago
I believe vegetarians can be healthy. However, I’ve identified many people that were vegans just by their looks before they (inevitably) announced it. You’re supposed to be able to supplement your way in to what you need but either the majority don’t or they’re still missing something.
- st34m 4y ago
  > I believe vegetarians can be healthy. There's no need for belief, all over the world vegetarians live around a decade longer. There could be any number of confounding factors of course but the burden of proof concerning health and diet is definitely on the pseudo-carnivores consuming their packaged flesh.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > There's no need for belief, all over the world vegetarians live around a decade longer. Controlling for wealth, total calories consumed, and a number of other known and suspected positive and negative contributors to longevity, quantity of meat eaten seems to end up positively correlated with longevity across the board. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/#!po=26.8421 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/#!po=26... The better conclusion might be that vegetarian is an elite affectation that is not as bad for you as the competing elite affectation of overeating.