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Yeah but in the modern world you often don't have any of that except a laptop or two, and even they are often personal devices in a small start-up. I founded a

Yeah but in the modern world you often don't have any of that except a laptop or two, and even they are often personal devices in a small start-up. I founded a start-up with a friend and we had zero assets - just Office 365, AWS, managed office and personal devices.

hef19898 4y ago
But you do see why, geneally speaking, incorporating a business is necessary and required, do you? Because otherwise this discussion is kind of pointless.
- cameronh90 4y ago
  Of course, but not why it needs 25k in reserves/assets. In many other countries it's very cheap and simple. In the UK where we did it, it took half an hour, we did it online in an hour and we needed about £20 all-in to get incorporated and set up a business bank account.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    As it was pointed out multiple times, 25k are not needed in capital.
    - cameronh90 4y ago
      Or assets, or equipment or whatever. You need quite a bit of money to put into it that you won't necessarily get back if it fails. The point is, whether it's 25k or 12.5k, and whether it's reserves or founding capital, share capital, equipments, assets, savings or whatever else, or whether it's 1 EUR as in the case of a UG but you have to save 25% of profits until you hit 25k - it's all still a significant barrier to forming an LLC that other countries have proven is unnecessary. That, along with paperwork, high costs, notary requirements, slow timescales and a time consuming dissolution process. There are a bunch of other countries within the EU that make the process much quicker, simpler and cheaper, so it's hard to see what reason one would have to bother with the German system.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        To answer your last question: Everyone that lives in Gwemany and cannot afford to move to another country. For all the other reasons, you'd have to ask the Berlin start-up scene.

hef19898 4y ago

But you do see why, geneally speaking, incorporating a business is necessary and required, do you? Because otherwise this discussion is kind of pointless.

cameronh90 4y ago
Of course, but not why it needs 25k in reserves/assets. In many other countries it's very cheap and simple. In the UK where we did it, it took half an hour, we did it online in an hour and we needed about £20 all-in to get incorporated and set up a business bank account.
- hef19898 4y ago
  As it was pointed out multiple times, 25k are not needed in capital.
  - cameronh90 4y ago
    Or assets, or equipment or whatever. You need quite a bit of money to put into it that you won't necessarily get back if it fails. The point is, whether it's 25k or 12.5k, and whether it's reserves or founding capital, share capital, equipments, assets, savings or whatever else, or whether it's 1 EUR as in the case of a UG but you have to save 25% of profits until you hit 25k - it's all still a significant barrier to forming an LLC that other countries have proven is unnecessary. That, along with paperwork, high costs, notary requirements, slow timescales and a time consuming dissolution process. There are a bunch of other countries within the EU that make the process much quicker, simpler and cheaper, so it's hard to see what reason one would have to bother with the German system.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      To answer your last question: Everyone that lives in Gwemany and cannot afford to move to another country. For all the other reasons, you'd have to ask the Berlin start-up scene.