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Everyone who has at least very basic education and comprehension skills knows he's the 100% reason of it. (Some are just evil and still at his side, but let's f

Everyone who has at least very basic education and comprehension skills knows he's the 100% reason of it. (Some are just evil and still at his side, but let's forget it for a moment) But, there is a lot of corruption and there's about ~30% of the population which is exteremely uneducated and/or under Stockholm Syndrome and still supporting him. That percentage + cheating in elections + telling "the west is the reason" keeps him in power.

slim 4y ago
"he" being Erdogan I guess
- bcrosby95 4y ago
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aiProgMach 4y ago
> But, there is a lot of corruption and there's about ~30% of the population which is exteremely uneducated and/or under Stockholm Syndrome and still supporting him. Sorry, while I'm far (very far) from being a fan of Erdogan. I take a distance quickly when I read someone talking like this about their own people. From experience (from another 3rd world country) we have people that say the exact same words, and they're the most ignorant people on the local politics but they think they are superior and they know better because they are "liberal" and they follow the foreign (usually western) press but they keep loosing most of their political fights because they only see from very narrow angle. I'm not implying you're like that, I just want to say that this is dangerous way of thinking on the local politics of most countries.
- can16358p 4y ago
  You might be right on your specific case, I can't speak of your condition. But if you were here and see the big picture and how gullible his supporters are you'd probably be at my side. The opposition (CHP) is liberal yet is definitely very powerless and bad at politics, but I vote for it because that's the only party that is a threat to Erdoğan's party (AKP). In short, I position myself as liberal and agree with the fact that liberals are sometimes lost in their own echo chamber of feeling superior, yet I don't vote for the liberalist party because that I'm liberal. I vote for it because that's the only possible opposition that can win majority against Erdoğan's party. If there was a conservative party that would threat the current regime, I'd vote that even as a liberal. There is one (İYİ Party) but their votes are far too low currently to be a threat against AKP.
  - throwaway_1928 4y ago
    Is the 73% inflation number true? Experts say it is more like 156%. "The Inflation Research Group (ENAG), an independent group of academics and economists working on key data that map economic performance, however, on Thursday said the country’s month-on-month consumer prices rose 8.68 percent, while annual inflation jumped to 156.86 percent in April." https://turkishminute.com/2022/05/05/inflation-soars-to-nearly-70-percent-in-april/ https://turkishminute.com/2022/05/05/inflation-soars-to-near...
    - can16358p 4y ago
      That's the official number, which is well below the truth. I'd say the reality is around 100%. But with global gas prices also increasing the cost of transportation almost quadrupled in a year.
shostack 4y ago
It's interesting to see the 30% pop up again in this context. That is roughly the percent who are Trump supporters in the US and there are similar fears that with various voting impediments and fraud that is enough to win. Are there other populations where the 30% figure holds up in this context?
- dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
  In Poland, the right-wing populist party that is basically buying votes with money also has 30% that is more or less stable in spite of numerous scandals, glaring incompetence in almost everything they touch, supporting Putin's team (Le Pen, Orban, etc.), publicly lying on numerous occasions (the prime ministers has been convicted of lying, so you can legally call him a liar) and so on. In spite of all this, they can still count on their 30%, mostly because they took over state media and entered into alliance with the Catholic Church which is still strong in villages and smaller towns, especially in the east.

slim 4y ago

"he" being Erdogan I guess

bcrosby95 4y ago
T

aiProgMach 4y ago

> But, there is a lot of corruption and there's about ~30% of the population which is exteremely uneducated and/or under Stockholm Syndrome and still supporting him. Sorry, while I'm far (very far) from being a fan of Erdogan. I take a distance quickly when I read someone talking like this about their own people. From experience (from another 3rd world country) we have people that say the exact same words, and they're the most ignorant people on the local politics but they think they are superior and they know better because they are "liberal" and they follow the foreign (usually western) press but they keep loosing most of their political fights because they only see from very narrow angle. I'm not implying you're like that, I just want to say that this is dangerous way of thinking on the local politics of most countries.

can16358p 4y ago
You might be right on your specific case, I can't speak of your condition. But if you were here and see the big picture and how gullible his supporters are you'd probably be at my side. The opposition (CHP) is liberal yet is definitely very powerless and bad at politics, but I vote for it because that's the only party that is a threat to Erdoğan's party (AKP). In short, I position myself as liberal and agree with the fact that liberals are sometimes lost in their own echo chamber of feeling superior, yet I don't vote for the liberalist party because that I'm liberal. I vote for it because that's the only possible opposition that can win majority against Erdoğan's party. If there was a conservative party that would threat the current regime, I'd vote that even as a liberal. There is one (İYİ Party) but their votes are far too low currently to be a threat against AKP.
- throwaway_1928 4y ago
  Is the 73% inflation number true? Experts say it is more like 156%. "The Inflation Research Group (ENAG), an independent group of academics and economists working on key data that map economic performance, however, on Thursday said the country’s month-on-month consumer prices rose 8.68 percent, while annual inflation jumped to 156.86 percent in April." https://turkishminute.com/2022/05/05/inflation-soars-to-nearly-70-percent-in-april/ https://turkishminute.com/2022/05/05/inflation-soars-to-near...
  - can16358p 4y ago
    That's the official number, which is well below the truth. I'd say the reality is around 100%. But with global gas prices also increasing the cost of transportation almost quadrupled in a year.

shostack 4y ago

It's interesting to see the 30% pop up again in this context. That is roughly the percent who are Trump supporters in the US and there are similar fears that with various voting impediments and fraud that is enough to win. Are there other populations where the 30% figure holds up in this context?

dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
In Poland, the right-wing populist party that is basically buying votes with money also has 30% that is more or less stable in spite of numerous scandals, glaring incompetence in almost everything they touch, supporting Putin's team (Le Pen, Orban, etc.), publicly lying on numerous occasions (the prime ministers has been convicted of lying, so you can legally call him a liar) and so on. In spite of all this, they can still count on their 30%, mostly because they took over state media and entered into alliance with the Catholic Church which is still strong in villages and smaller towns, especially in the east.