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As opposed to centuries of pushing oil and gas pollutants literally down our noses and into the public air? What's so bad about EVs?

0daystock 4y ago
For one, the production of EV batteries is fraught with its own environmental harms and societal ills. But more simply, gasoline engines provide more freedom of movement and energy independence in the present day. Non-EV vehicles are also easier to work on and maintain, and older cars don't require specialized components just to turn on and run the engine, for example.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  1. Some types of Lithium mining are dirty, but 30kg of Lithium is a lot cleaner than 50 tons of gasoline. 2. Electricity is the ultimate form of energy independence. There are literally billions of places you can trickle charge an EV in the US. You can turn gasoline into electricity a lot easier than you can turn electricity into gasoline. 3. I do all the maintenance on my EV, but I don't on my ICE. It's easier because there's almost no maintenance on the EV. Brakes, tires, wipers and cabin air filter.
  - 0daystock 4y ago
    > There are literally billions of places you can trickle charge an EV in the US. And there's an infinite number of places I can bring a can of gasoline/diesel to. Check and mate.
    - bryanlarsen 4y ago
      Who does that? Anybody going to that ridiculous level of preparedness can just carry a generator. Every place I've seen that is off grid but has a fuel tank also has a generator. Electricity is everywhere that gasoline is.
      - 0daystock 4y ago
        > Electricity is everywhere that gasoline is. That's due to gas and diesel power generators, not EV technology.
tablespoon 4y ago
> As opposed to centuries of pushing oil and gas pollutants literally down our noses and into the public air? Frankly, that framing is deceptive. I really, really doubt people needed to be "pushed" to use oil and gas over the last "centuries."
- belltaco 4y ago
  Using public money for supporting oil companies, drilling and subsidies is definitely pushing. So is externalizing the costs of the pollution. Imagine every factory is allowed to pollute land and water around them and people have to pay for cleaning it up or having to give up use of them. https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trillion-in-subsidies-in-2020-report-finds https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trill...

0daystock 4y ago

For one, the production of EV batteries is fraught with its own environmental harms and societal ills. But more simply, gasoline engines provide more freedom of movement and energy independence in the present day. Non-EV vehicles are also easier to work on and maintain, and older cars don't require specialized components just to turn on and run the engine, for example.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
1. Some types of Lithium mining are dirty, but 30kg of Lithium is a lot cleaner than 50 tons of gasoline. 2. Electricity is the ultimate form of energy independence. There are literally billions of places you can trickle charge an EV in the US. You can turn gasoline into electricity a lot easier than you can turn electricity into gasoline. 3. I do all the maintenance on my EV, but I don't on my ICE. It's easier because there's almost no maintenance on the EV. Brakes, tires, wipers and cabin air filter.
- 0daystock 4y ago
  > There are literally billions of places you can trickle charge an EV in the US. And there's an infinite number of places I can bring a can of gasoline/diesel to. Check and mate.
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    Who does that? Anybody going to that ridiculous level of preparedness can just carry a generator. Every place I've seen that is off grid but has a fuel tank also has a generator. Electricity is everywhere that gasoline is.
    - 0daystock 4y ago
      > Electricity is everywhere that gasoline is. That's due to gas and diesel power generators, not EV technology.

tablespoon 4y ago

> As opposed to centuries of pushing oil and gas pollutants literally down our noses and into the public air? Frankly, that framing is deceptive. I really, really doubt people needed to be "pushed" to use oil and gas over the last "centuries."

belltaco 4y ago
Using public money for supporting oil companies, drilling and subsidies is definitely pushing. So is externalizing the costs of the pollution. Imagine every factory is allowed to pollute land and water around them and people have to pay for cleaning it up or having to give up use of them. https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trillion-in-subsidies-in-2020-report-finds https://e360.yale.edu/digest/fossil-fuels-received-5-9-trill...