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It's different because Russia could invade Eastern Europe tomorrow. Of course you might not care, but I live there. The only nazis are the invaders.
by petre 4y ago
It's different because Russia could invade Eastern Europe tomorrow. Of course you might not care, but I live there. The only nazis are the invaders.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoI live in the balkans, I had american planes flying above my house, bombing a country (that we were once a part of a same country) ~400km away, for mostly the same reasons that putin is attacking ukraine now for.
- petre 4y agoYour co-nationals shouldn't have massacred Bosniaks. Ukraine did not engage in ethnic cleansing.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoYou're probably an american, but in 1999, when the bombings took place, the war in bosnia was already over for ~4 years.
- petre 4y agoNo, I am your Northeastern neighbour. Tito was a commie, but he did the right thing uniting people. The Serbs are still stirring things up in Bosnia. Stop now and embrace Tito's genius.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoSo americans bombed serbia/yugoslavia in 1999 because of bosniaks? You learn something new every day...
- Paradigma11 4y agoBasically. Nobody cared about Kosovo but even more so did nobody want to be responsible for letting a rerun of Srebrenica happen.
- mda 4y agoBosniaks -> Albanians. Happy now?
- mda 4y agoYeah, it was about ethnic cleansing of Albanians.
- burntoutfire 4y ago> for mostly the same reasons that putin is attacking ukraine now for. Did the US want to annex that country into the US? And convert its citizens into obedient Americans? And murder everyone who resisted?
- sudosysgen 4y agoMaking them US citizens would be too problematic. It's better to make them subject of an easily controllable puppet. And yes, that means killing everyone who resists. A million people if that's what it takes.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoNah, they just set their own dictators, and if they stopped obeying the americans, they violently replaced them. Just look at latin america, Iran, etc. Just scrolling through the wiki article takes a long time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
- burntoutfire 4y agoPerhaps I'm biased, because I'm from a country (Poland) that's actually actively protected by the US from a murderous dictator (Putin). Even when Poland was on her knees in the early ninetiess, the US never tried to install their dicator here, but instead actively promoted democracy and protected us from Russians. The only benefit that US takes from that is that Poland became a part of the global trade network, we pay for US companies for their intellectual property (i.e. piracy is no longer legal) etc.
- sudosysgen 4y agoAmoral countries can still in some cases be a lesser evil. I agree in the case of Poland the US is a force for good, but on the scale of the world the US definitely gives Russian destruction a run for it's money. The benefit the US gets from protecting Poland is that in doing so it helps keep Russia boxed in, it keeps great influence over the EU (Poland is a pivot of US influence on the EU), thereby greatly helping curtail 2 out of 3 threats to the US's position as the most powerful country on Earth. It's not done out of benevolence but it's quite great for Polish people.
- throwaway894345 4y agoI mean, Russian propaganda claims that the reason is the same: intervening in a genocide. But obviously this isn’t the case—Russia started a war in a region of Ukraine that has a lot of ethnic Russians and attributed all casualties (including the Kremlin-backed Russian separatist combatants) as “victims of a genocide campaign” including those who were killed by Russian and Russian-backed forces. So no, it’s not the same at all as NATO intervening in an actual ethnic cleansing campaign.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoUS (and a few other countries) attacked Iraq, because propaganda claimed that they had weapons of mass destruction. Let's not forget the time before that, where iraqis supposedly killed babies in a hospital. Somehow we treat those wars and those agressors differently.
- throwaway894345 4y agoThis whataboutism is just more Russian propaganda (it’s a boilerplate argument that gets copy/pasted into every single debate about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine). It has absolutely nothing to do with the war in Ukraine, and the Iraq War doesn’t justify Russia’s conquest of Ukraine.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoWhy is different though? Except for americans being our "friends", and us helping them?
- throwaway894345 4y agoNah, I'm not going to accept deflection to unrelated wars. If you want to discuss the Iraq War in an appropriate thread, I'm happy to do so, but it doesn't justify Russia's ongoing conquest of Ukraine.
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- blub 4y agoIt theoretically could, but… why would they do that? And before you say “Ukraine”, consider that Ukraine and Russia have a common history going back hundreds of years and together with Russia were part of the USSR. The attack on Ukraine is illegitimate, but at least it makes some logical sense. Russia going after Romania or Poland which are part of EU and NATO and were never part of the USSR, but instead individual countries in the Warsaw Pact makes no sense at all. The Baltics are more complicated, but once again - NATO and EU.