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This classic rears its head again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes The Na

This classic rears its head again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes The Nazi thing in Ukraine is just tired and old, especially since Russia has active ranks of Nazis (like the Wagner Group) that they send abroad. If the Nazi factions justify exterminating civilians in Ukraine, then for consistency's sake, the same could be said of extermination of Russians. (I support exterminating nobody) America is wrong to start wars. Most people (especially outside of America) agree with that. That doesn't mean Russia gets a free pass to actively threaten Europe and commit genocide, and no amount of paragraphs will change that.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
But as I said... it's not "tired and old", if we reported on it, and now we act as if we never did. We (well, our media is) basically lying now. Of course russia doesn't get a free pass... but why do we get one? Why can my small shitty eu country (slovenia) get to have soldiers occupying foreign countries without sanctions? Why can americans do it without sanctions? The French? ...? Why do we treat russia differently for doing the same thing we are... and why are we hurting ourselves by those sanctions?
- pavlov 4y ago
  I’m originally from Finland. There are definitely neo-Nazis in the country. I’ve seen them marching on the Finnish Independence Day. (Interestingly these local Nazis are generally fans of Putin because his ethno-state is much closer to their dream than Finland itself.) If Putin now decided to invade Finland, you’d presumably be here with the following arguments: “Why is nobody talking about the Finnish Nazis? Media reported on that before, they’re not talking about it now. It’s all lies.” “How do I know Russia is actually bombarding Helsinki? BBC is just propaganda and the Finnish media is probably controlled by the Nazis.” “Finland sent peacekeeper troops to Afghanistan so they’ve implicitly supported American aggression. Why should we expect different from Russia. Can’t we sanction Finland too” It’s safe for you to engage in this kind of nonsense pseudo-media-critical sophistry when nobody you know is getting killed.
  - blub 4y ago
    EU-style nazis that limit themselves to marching with offensive signs do seem rather harmless, don’t they? At least I assume that Finland’s nazis don’t form militias and aren’t part of the armed forces and don’t receive military weapons from NATO. This doesn’t excuse Russia’s war, but it does make one wonder why Western politicians condemn right-wing extremists so often and so thoroughly with not a peep about the nazis they’re literally sending weapons to. Well, there was a bit of a scandal when an interview with an Azov neo-nazi was broadcasted in the Greek parliament, but even the Greeks were mostly criticizing themselves for allowing that to happen.
    - pavlov 4y ago
      Finland has a large conscription army. Since most Finnish men are trained reserve troops, presumably most of those neo-Nazis are as well. If Russia attacked, they’d get called into service like everybody else unless they have a criminal record that prevents it. And then online posters would be using this is as proof that Russia has a point with the “denazification” tales they use to justify aggression on other countries’ sovereign territory. “Well, you have to ask why the Finnish army invites Nazis, and now NATO is supplying arms to them too. Just asking questions here that media doesn’t. I am very smart.”
justsomehnguy 4y ago
> America is wrong to start wars And? Did anyone did anything so America wouldn't start wars? Why America has a free pass?

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

But as I said... it's not "tired and old", if we reported on it, and now we act as if we never did. We (well, our media is) basically lying now. Of course russia doesn't get a free pass... but why do we get one? Why can my small shitty eu country (slovenia) get to have soldiers occupying foreign countries without sanctions? Why can americans do it without sanctions? The French? ...? Why do we treat russia differently for doing the same thing we are... and why are we hurting ourselves by those sanctions?

pavlov 4y ago
I’m originally from Finland. There are definitely neo-Nazis in the country. I’ve seen them marching on the Finnish Independence Day. (Interestingly these local Nazis are generally fans of Putin because his ethno-state is much closer to their dream than Finland itself.) If Putin now decided to invade Finland, you’d presumably be here with the following arguments: “Why is nobody talking about the Finnish Nazis? Media reported on that before, they’re not talking about it now. It’s all lies.” “How do I know Russia is actually bombarding Helsinki? BBC is just propaganda and the Finnish media is probably controlled by the Nazis.” “Finland sent peacekeeper troops to Afghanistan so they’ve implicitly supported American aggression. Why should we expect different from Russia. Can’t we sanction Finland too” It’s safe for you to engage in this kind of nonsense pseudo-media-critical sophistry when nobody you know is getting killed.
- blub 4y ago
  EU-style nazis that limit themselves to marching with offensive signs do seem rather harmless, don’t they? At least I assume that Finland’s nazis don’t form militias and aren’t part of the armed forces and don’t receive military weapons from NATO. This doesn’t excuse Russia’s war, but it does make one wonder why Western politicians condemn right-wing extremists so often and so thoroughly with not a peep about the nazis they’re literally sending weapons to. Well, there was a bit of a scandal when an interview with an Azov neo-nazi was broadcasted in the Greek parliament, but even the Greeks were mostly criticizing themselves for allowing that to happen.
  - pavlov 4y ago
    Finland has a large conscription army. Since most Finnish men are trained reserve troops, presumably most of those neo-Nazis are as well. If Russia attacked, they’d get called into service like everybody else unless they have a criminal record that prevents it. And then online posters would be using this is as proof that Russia has a point with the “denazification” tales they use to justify aggression on other countries’ sovereign territory. “Well, you have to ask why the Finnish army invites Nazis, and now NATO is supplying arms to them too. Just asking questions here that media doesn’t. I am very smart.”

justsomehnguy 4y ago

> America is wrong to start wars And? Did anyone did anything so America wouldn't start wars? Why America has a free pass?