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The past few years have taught me that, in the age of social media, nothing so unequivocally bad can happen that people wouldn’t be blaming it on mainstream med

by pavlov 4y ago

The past few years have taught me that, in the age of social media, nothing so unequivocally bad can happen that people wouldn’t be blaming it on mainstream media. Dictator invades neighboring country, says their people don’t have a right to exist? The mainstream media is to blame for using a word I didn’t like. Dictator’s propaganda channel is removed from distribution? A conspiracy by the mainstream media and their political cronies. Etc. It does make it much easier to understand the Americans who in 1939 were saying “Hitler is not our problem — at least he’s not a communist — look at the good job he’s done cleaning up the radical left — the press is out to get him — why should we hurt our own economy by not trading with Germany?”

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
You're narrowmindedly cherry picking data. Before 2022, we were listening about ukranians shelling russian settlements in ukraine. Ukraine had a nazi problem, Azov was nazis, and even the mainstream media said it: https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg Now they're acting as if none of this has ever happened. On the other hand, we've let and activelly helped americans to the same thing to many, many different countries, lied about weapons of mass destruction, destroyed afghanistan for hiding obama in pakistan while bombing pakistani weddings while not being at war with them, plus of course syria, libya, etc. Now US troops are entering somalia. I live in a small EU country with a shitty almost non-existant army, and even we had soldiers in afghanistan (and still have them in eg. syria and lebanon). Yugoslavia was bombed for 78 days for doing the same as ukranians were doing to russian minorties, and civilian targets were intentionally chosen for the bombings. Yes, the mainstream media is guilty of saying one thing until day X, and changing their narrative from day X+1. > Dictator’s propaganda channel is removed from distribution? You are aware that all of the media is just propaganda? CNN is propaganda, BBC is propaganda, and RT is propaganda. If we didn't ban the news outlets saying that iraq has WMDs, why are we banning RT? If RT saying that ukranians are nazis, why are we not banning all the mainstream media outlets from here: https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg ? > It does make it much easier to understand the Americans who in 1939 were saying “Hitler is not our problem — at least he’s not a communist — look at the good job he’s done cleaning up the radical left — the press is out to get him — why should we hurt our own economy by not trading with Germany?” Lets be fair.. for most of the world, americans are the largest problem for peace in their area. Russians are at worst, second, depending on how you look at saudi arabia vs yemen and israel vs palestine conflicts.
- grapeskin 4y ago
  This classic rears its head again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes The Nazi thing in Ukraine is just tired and old, especially since Russia has active ranks of Nazis (like the Wagner Group) that they send abroad. If the Nazi factions justify exterminating civilians in Ukraine, then for consistency's sake, the same could be said of extermination of Russians. (I support exterminating nobody) America is wrong to start wars. Most people (especially outside of America) agree with that. That doesn't mean Russia gets a free pass to actively threaten Europe and commit genocide, and no amount of paragraphs will change that.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    But as I said... it's not "tired and old", if we reported on it, and now we act as if we never did. We (well, our media is) basically lying now. Of course russia doesn't get a free pass... but why do we get one? Why can my small shitty eu country (slovenia) get to have soldiers occupying foreign countries without sanctions? Why can americans do it without sanctions? The French? ...? Why do we treat russia differently for doing the same thing we are... and why are we hurting ourselves by those sanctions?
    - pavlov 4y ago
      I’m originally from Finland. There are definitely neo-Nazis in the country. I’ve seen them marching on the Finnish Independence Day. (Interestingly these local Nazis are generally fans of Putin because his ethno-state is much closer to their dream than Finland itself.) If Putin now decided to invade Finland, you’d presumably be here with the following arguments: “Why is nobody talking about the Finnish Nazis? Media reported on that before, they’re not talking about it now. It’s all lies.” “How do I know Russia is actually bombarding Helsinki? BBC is just propaganda and the Finnish media is probably controlled by the Nazis.” “Finland sent peacekeeper troops to Afghanistan so they’ve implicitly supported American aggression. Why should we expect different from Russia. Can’t we sanction Finland too” It’s safe for you to engage in this kind of nonsense pseudo-media-critical sophistry when nobody you know is getting killed.

by pavlov 4y ago

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

You're narrowmindedly cherry picking data. Before 2022, we were listening about ukranians shelling russian settlements in ukraine. Ukraine had a nazi problem, Azov was nazis, and even the mainstream media said it: https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg Now they're acting as if none of this has ever happened. On the other hand, we've let and activelly helped americans to the same thing to many, many different countries, lied about weapons of mass destruction, destroyed afghanistan for hiding obama in pakistan while bombing pakistani weddings while not being at war with them, plus of course syria, libya, etc. Now US troops are entering somalia. I live in a small EU country with a shitty almost non-existant army, and even we had soldiers in afghanistan (and still have them in eg. syria and lebanon). Yugoslavia was bombed for 78 days for doing the same as ukranians were doing to russian minorties, and civilian targets were intentionally chosen for the bombings. Yes, the mainstream media is guilty of saying one thing until day X, and changing their narrative from day X+1. > Dictator’s propaganda channel is removed from distribution? You are aware that all of the media is just propaganda? CNN is propaganda, BBC is propaganda, and RT is propaganda. If we didn't ban the news outlets saying that iraq has WMDs, why are we banning RT? If RT saying that ukranians are nazis, why are we not banning all the mainstream media outlets from here: https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg ? > It does make it much easier to understand the Americans who in 1939 were saying “Hitler is not our problem — at least he’s not a communist — look at the good job he’s done cleaning up the radical left — the press is out to get him — why should we hurt our own economy by not trading with Germany?” Lets be fair.. for most of the world, americans are the largest problem for peace in their area. Russians are at worst, second, depending on how you look at saudi arabia vs yemen and israel vs palestine conflicts.

grapeskin 4y ago
This classic rears its head again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes The Nazi thing in Ukraine is just tired and old, especially since Russia has active ranks of Nazis (like the Wagner Group) that they send abroad. If the Nazi factions justify exterminating civilians in Ukraine, then for consistency's sake, the same could be said of extermination of Russians. (I support exterminating nobody) America is wrong to start wars. Most people (especially outside of America) agree with that. That doesn't mean Russia gets a free pass to actively threaten Europe and commit genocide, and no amount of paragraphs will change that.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  But as I said... it's not "tired and old", if we reported on it, and now we act as if we never did. We (well, our media is) basically lying now. Of course russia doesn't get a free pass... but why do we get one? Why can my small shitty eu country (slovenia) get to have soldiers occupying foreign countries without sanctions? Why can americans do it without sanctions? The French? ...? Why do we treat russia differently for doing the same thing we are... and why are we hurting ourselves by those sanctions?
  - pavlov 4y ago
    I’m originally from Finland. There are definitely neo-Nazis in the country. I’ve seen them marching on the Finnish Independence Day. (Interestingly these local Nazis are generally fans of Putin because his ethno-state is much closer to their dream than Finland itself.) If Putin now decided to invade Finland, you’d presumably be here with the following arguments: “Why is nobody talking about the Finnish Nazis? Media reported on that before, they’re not talking about it now. It’s all lies.” “How do I know Russia is actually bombarding Helsinki? BBC is just propaganda and the Finnish media is probably controlled by the Nazis.” “Finland sent peacekeeper troops to Afghanistan so they’ve implicitly supported American aggression. Why should we expect different from Russia. Can’t we sanction Finland too” It’s safe for you to engage in this kind of nonsense pseudo-media-critical sophistry when nobody you know is getting killed.