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Gas increased everywhere, Europe had like 120% price increase. At least Turkey is not under sanctions so it will get cheap gas!
by zeroth32 4y ago
Gas increased everywhere, Europe had like 120% price increase. At least Turkey is not under sanctions so it will get cheap gas!
- akmarinov 4y agoYou mean, at least Turkey’s not sanctioning Russia, so they can get cheap gas and oil
- m00dy 4y agoTurkey is already in big trouble. Sanctioning Russia will make things only worse.
- akmarinov 4y agoIt’s not like everyone else is chilling with the current inflation running wild. True, Turkey had a lot of inflation before the whole war thing, but that was due to an atrocious monetary policy, with rampant nepotism on Erdogan’s behalf.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoAs a european, to me it seems more like our EU leaders are sanctioning us, the EU people, and not russia...
- npc12345 4y ago
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoI know, but i'm just saying what the public is feeling right now here. Russia is still selling their oil to india and china, and europe is slowly destroying itself with the anti-russian sanctions and many other internal things they do. Germany went from one of the strongest economies in the world to telling their people to wear sweaters at home, because they'll be cold, while countries oposing the sanctions still have cheap gas (eg 1.23eur/l in hungary). Media is saying one thing, but people in the streets (and surprisingly, also in the comments everywhere, somehow not censored yet) complain and most not in the politically-correct way. Add to this the blatant censorship of media, eg banning RT in europe (let's be fair.. putin, being somewhat a dictator, banning CNN is perfectly understandable... but EU, "a pillar of democracy" banning RT, to me, seems a very very bad precedent), and stories like "evacuation of azovstal" (and not saying it was a "surrender") make people trust the media even less.
- pavlov 4y agoThe past few years have taught me that, in the age of social media, nothing so unequivocally bad can happen that people wouldn’t be blaming it on mainstream media. Dictator invades neighboring country, says their people don’t have a right to exist? The mainstream media is to blame for using a word I didn’t like. Dictator’s propaganda channel is removed from distribution? A conspiracy by the mainstream media and their political cronies. Etc. It does make it much easier to understand the Americans who in 1939 were saying “Hitler is not our problem — at least he’s not a communist — look at the good job he’s done cleaning up the radical left — the press is out to get him — why should we hurt our own economy by not trading with Germany?”
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoYou're narrowmindedly cherry picking data. Before 2022, we were listening about ukranians shelling russian settlements in ukraine. Ukraine had a nazi problem, Azov was nazis, and even the mainstream media said it: https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg Now they're acting as if none of this has ever happened. On the other hand, we've let and activelly helped americans to the same thing to many, many different countries, lied about weapons of mass destruction, destroyed afghanistan for hiding obama in pakistan while bombing pakistani weddings while not being at war with them, plus of course syria, libya, etc. Now US troops are entering somalia. I live in a small EU country with a shitty almost non-existant army, and even we had soldiers in afghanistan (and still have them in eg. syria and lebanon). Yugoslavia was bombed for 78 days for doing the same as ukranians were doing to russian minorties, and civilian targets were intentionally chosen for the bombings. Yes, the mainstream media is guilty of saying one thing until day X, and changing their narrative from day X+1. > Dictator’s propaganda channel is removed from distribution? You are aware that all of the media is just propaganda? CNN is propaganda, BBC is propaganda, and RT is propaganda. If we didn't ban the news outlets saying that iraq has WMDs, why are we banning RT? If RT saying that ukranians are nazis, why are we not banning all the mainstream media outlets from here: https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mRAaOo0.jpg ? > It does make it much easier to understand the Americans who in 1939 were saying “Hitler is not our problem — at least he’s not a communist — look at the good job he’s done cleaning up the radical left — the press is out to get him — why should we hurt our own economy by not trading with Germany?” Lets be fair.. for most of the world, americans are the largest problem for peace in their area. Russians are at worst, second, depending on how you look at saudi arabia vs yemen and israel vs palestine conflicts.
- jessaustin 4y agoThat isn't a good thing about HN.
- FpUser 4y agoThe ministry of truth
- ryan_j_naughton 4y agoSanctions have to hurt to be effective. Europe foolishly integrated with the Russian energy economy in the 80s. We are rightfully reversing course on that mistake, but doing so inherently involves substantial pain. But not willing to pay the price is a furtherance of Russia's power, control, and mass murder of Ukrainians.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoI'd prefer sanctions where it hurts them more than it hurts us. Especially, since the current ukranian conflict is no different than eg the war in afghanistan, syria, libya, and as putin says it, also kosovo/yugoslavia. Those were all the wars for US power, control and mass murder of all those people, and we silently supported all those wars, even sent our own soldiers to fight there.
- Wyoming23 4y agoThis is ridiculous. The wars are incredibly different in literally every way. Every war has horrible tragedies and innocent lives lost or harmed, but to suggest invading a stable democracy to annex it is even remotely the same as supporting a locally led uprising against a murderous dictator like in Syria is absurd and offensive.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
- synu 4y agoYou can find embarrassing far right extremists and parties in every country these days. Ukraine is hardly a new nazi Germany.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoHow many of those far right groups were integrated into national armies, as Azov was?
- JohnGB 4y agoI see you follow the Chamberlain method of giving Russia whatever it wants because it won't possibly ever come back to affect you...
- cuteboy19 4y agoWas there ever a European Chamberlain type character?
- glogla 4y agoMerkel, Scholz, Macron?
- yakshaving_jgt 4y agoMacron?
- 908B64B197 4y agoThat's completely self-inflicted indeed. Europe spent decades of cooperation with Russia instead of working toward complete independence from Russian energy.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoI mean... germany also spent decades to kill of it's nuclear energy production. So it's not the only thing our (EU) politicians fucked up but will never take the blame for.
- d0mine 4y agoThe economy is global. If you like independence look at Cuba--it is "independent" for decades now. Thanks to sanctions, Russia is becoming independent (less/no ties to outside economies)--do not recommend.
- maleldil 4y agoBeing independent doesn't work, but you should strive to become dependent only on parties that can be expected to be reasonably rational. A democratic country is expected to be more rational than an autocratic one. The EU was naive in trusting Russia.
- d0mine 4y agoThere are many naive people. Try to look at relative military spending around the world and think about trust, about where all these weapons will be applied eventually.
- 908B64B197 4y agoIn the 70's France went all-in on clean, green nuclear energy when they realized they had an outsized strategic dependency on foreign oil coming from unstable regimes. America did the same in the 2000's and ramped-up domestic supply of oil.
- d0mine 4y agoTalking with peoples who believe they live in a democracy reminds me of talking with religious people: they think if you don't believe in their god, than it means you are evil immoral person. Rational arguments (facts, evidence) do not work.
- joyeuse6701 4y agoIf you actually think so, then have you considered moving to Russia yet?
- kzrdude 4y agoNot cheap, but cheaper maybe? They can't move the global oil prices significantly.
- seaourfreed 4y ago
- oneoff786 4y agoPlease explain how crypto will reduce the price of gas
- badinker 4y agoIf you want to render world governments and their abusive monetary policies irrelevant in a short amount of time, you take away their monopolies they have on the money supply.
- oneoff786 4y agoI don’t, but ignoring that; how is this going to reduce the price of gas?
- alxtye 4y agoSuppose someone purchased USDT with TRY in June 2021, and sold that USDT for TRY today, he would have doubled his TRY and effectively offset 100% inflation.
- oneoff786 4y agoCan’t tell if this is a joke