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Mate I love telegram but that's not plain incorrect. Telegram has transport layer encryption, like literally everything else in 2022. For all intents and purpo

Mate I love telegram but that's not plain incorrect. Telegram has transport layer encryption, like literally everything else in 2022. For all intents and purposes telegram can read and access a majority of your conversations on it. This isn't a super big deal because telegram is aiming to be a social media platform, rather than an encrypted comms platform, and e2ee on groups over a certain size is pretty useless. I think telegram can still improve by making private messages e2ee by default.

Terretta 4y ago
> transport layer encryption, like literally everything else in 2022… for all intents and purposes telegram can read and access Not literally everything. By and large everything, sure. Effectively everything, even. But not literally everything. For instance, take a deep dive into how e2e encryption works in the Apple ecosystem… https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 … and why allowing iCloud Backups for usability becomes the weakest link for Apple Messages: https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/security/sec3cac31735/web https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/security/sec3cac31735/... To save a click: Messages in iCloud, which keeps a user’s entire message history updated and available on all devices, also uses CloudKit end-to-end encryption with a CloudKit service key protected by iCloud Keychain syncing. If the user has enabled iCloud Backup, the CloudKit service key used for the Messages in iCloud container is also backed up to iCloud to allow the user to recover their messages, even if they have lost access to iCloud Keychain and their trusted devices. This iCloud service key is rolled whenever the user turns off iCloud Backup. If you are in this ecosystem, and feel your potential loss from disclosure is greater than your potential loss by losing/damaging your device, go turn off iCloud Backup — and make sure your keychain is secured to your needs.

Terretta 4y ago

> transport layer encryption, like literally everything else in 2022… for all intents and purposes telegram can read and access Not literally everything. By and large everything, sure. Effectively everything, even. But not literally everything. For instance, take a deep dive into how e2e encryption works in the Apple ecosystem… https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 … and why allowing iCloud Backups for usability becomes the weakest link for Apple Messages: https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/security/sec3cac31735/web https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/security/sec3cac31735/... To save a click: Messages in iCloud, which keeps a user’s entire message history updated and available on all devices, also uses CloudKit end-to-end encryption with a CloudKit service key protected by iCloud Keychain syncing. If the user has enabled iCloud Backup, the CloudKit service key used for the Messages in iCloud container is also backed up to iCloud to allow the user to recover their messages, even if they have lost access to iCloud Keychain and their trusted devices. This iCloud service key is rolled whenever the user turns off iCloud Backup. If you are in this ecosystem, and feel your potential loss from disclosure is greater than your potential loss by losing/damaging your device, go turn off iCloud Backup — and make sure your keychain is secured to your needs.