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Why are you pretty sure about that? All I hear about is the US doing that every day that they can mandate the parties into silence.... so how would you even kno

Why are you pretty sure about that? All I hear about is the US doing that every day that they can mandate the parties into silence.... so how would you even know.

that_guy_iain 4y ago
Lots of companies openly state how many requests they get from each country. I think I saw a report where someone tallied all the requests from all the major sites that report on the requests they get and Germany was at the top. For example, https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ Germany is at 11+k while the UK which is of similar size is at 2+k
- guerrilla 4y ago
  > Lots of companies openly state how many requests they get from each country. As I said, the US can stop you from making such disclosures and they do, which we know because some such embargoes have ended in individual cases. We have no idea how many are still in place.
  - that_guy_iain 4y ago
    The US can stop you making disclosures for very specific cases - aka the Patriot act which is a federal law. But majority of requests are done by other people. Quite simply saying "We have no idea how many are still in place" actually, we have an idea. That idea is not many. It's simply FUD to talk about the US' ability to stop disclosures when talking about who is making the most requests. Especially when the US is still pretty near the top for countries making requests.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      "Very specific cases", like the rest of their spying, right. You can believe that if you want, but I'm not remotely convinced. We consistently find that the US spies and abuses its power more than anyone imagines. By induction, unless anything profound changes, I'll bet on that trend continuing.
      - that_guy_iain 4y ago
        > We consistently find that the US spies and abuses its power more than anyone imagines. Spies, not law enforcement. Spies spy. It's kinda in their job description.
        guerrilla 4y ago
        Anyone can spy. Cops spy all the time.

Why are you pretty sure about that? All I hear about is the US doing that every day that they can mandate the parties into silence.... so how would you even know.

that_guy_iain 4y ago

Lots of companies openly state how many requests they get from each country. I think I saw a report where someone tallied all the requests from all the major sites that report on the requests they get and Germany was at the top. For example, https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/ Germany is at 11+k while the UK which is of similar size is at 2+k

guerrilla 4y ago
> Lots of companies openly state how many requests they get from each country. As I said, the US can stop you from making such disclosures and they do, which we know because some such embargoes have ended in individual cases. We have no idea how many are still in place.
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  The US can stop you making disclosures for very specific cases - aka the Patriot act which is a federal law. But majority of requests are done by other people. Quite simply saying "We have no idea how many are still in place" actually, we have an idea. That idea is not many. It's simply FUD to talk about the US' ability to stop disclosures when talking about who is making the most requests. Especially when the US is still pretty near the top for countries making requests.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    "Very specific cases", like the rest of their spying, right. You can believe that if you want, but I'm not remotely convinced. We consistently find that the US spies and abuses its power more than anyone imagines. By induction, unless anything profound changes, I'll bet on that trend continuing.
    - that_guy_iain 4y ago
      > We consistently find that the US spies and abuses its power more than anyone imagines. Spies, not law enforcement. Spies spy. It's kinda in their job description.
      - guerrilla 4y ago
        Anyone can spy. Cops spy all the time.