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Manufacturers need to produce laptops with 4k display if they are willing to compete with Macs... And also a decent touch pad and battery.

aspyct 4y ago
I really don't care about 4k on a small screen.
- tehlike 4y ago
  I thought I didn't too, but after using Macs due to work, i couldn't stand it and returned my laptop and got 4k
- znpy 4y ago
  I'd be more interested in a 16:10 aspect ration, ideally at 1920x1200
RL_Quine 4y ago
Maybe not 4k, but 1080p is miserable.
- fwipsy 4y ago
  How close are you sitting to your laptop? I usually use 15.6" 1080p from about 60cm away and can't tell a difference from a higher resolution. If you search "retina distance calculator" then they say there's no benefit from higher resolution at that distance or greater. And even if you can perceive it as being slightly sharper, "miserable" definitely seems like a stretch.
  - tehlike 4y ago
    I can tell the difference, that's why I returned my previous laptop and got 4k. I also like my screen text small, so more fits.
viraptor 4y ago
I'm specifically buying 1080 or 1440p to save battery. Also on 14" I can barely see any difference. I'd maybe go with 4k on 17".
- tehlike 4y ago
  I am nearly always plugged in, so i stopped optimizing for it but it's great to have for sure. Macs do great here, great display, great battery in general. My personal laptop is a gigabyte aero 4k and battery doesn't last quite as long.
  - viraptor 4y ago
    I've gone there and further. Specifically, most of the time I'm plugged in, so I've got external screens and the built in one doesn't matter. On the other hand, the only time I don't have them, the battery matters just as much.
seibelj 4y ago
PopOS 22 bricked my touchpad (System76). Other people have posted about the same issue and no fix is here. Minus the touchpad, great laptop. I just use an external mouse but I prefer a working touchpad.
- tehlike 4y ago
  With MacBooks, i can work with touchpad fairly well... Every other touchpad i used on Linux machines make me hate them. They are not high quality metal-ish touchpads so they wear off and so on.
  - pmontra 4y ago
    I've been using the same ZBook 15 since 2014. The touchpad didn't wear off. I'm using it only to move the pointer and scroll, no click (there are hardware buttons) and no gestures. Maybe that increases the lifespan of the touchpad or it's just a good one.
    - tehlike 4y ago
      Likely a good one. Most of my wearoffs happened due to scrolling or just normal pointer movements.
- tehlike 4y ago
  I had a similar touchpad situation, i forgot if me replacing the laptop for something else or new version of pop fixed it...
rektide 4y ago
It's ironic, because Macs somewhat crappily upscale a lot of onscreen content & dont run at native resolution. I hope there's less jank better options but SwitchX Pro or whatever is what I use to coerce my macbook into running native res. People will drop what they are doing & walk over to me & exclaim: "you can read that?!?!". It's 2880x1800, not even that high density. But it's indeed tiny. I somewhat jokingly answer the trick is to already know whats on the screen. So yes, more would be nice, in my book, but hardly required, and most of the evidence I see is of people unable to use anything better than 1080p. Do you have any particular reason to be trashing on the trackpad or is this just more general pissery?
- tehlike 4y ago
  I have gigabyte aero 4k display. i love the display, i almost hate everything else - the touchpad, the ports, the charger, the wobbliness of the screen hinge. Only bought it for display and it don't regret it.
- tehlike 4y ago
  As for touchpad, it wasn't a particular piss at this machine but general situation for nonmacs. I am not a Mac fanboy, i love my Linux laptop but nearly everything i tried had some weirdness about them. Some wears off really fast, some are not as responsive (may be a software driver issue, which i have had problems with pop before but not recently). Macs have had consistently performed great.
lelanthran 4y ago
> Manufacturers need to produce laptops with 4k display if they are willing to compete with Macs... And also a decent touch pad... For a dev machine, manufacturers aren't competing with Macs. I've got a macbook right here next to me: No function keys No pageup/pagedown/home/end/insert[1] keys Poor and crappy support for my USB keyboard (which does have all those missing keys). At least the macbook has an inverted T set of arrows keys, even if they are half-size. [1] I use shift-insert all the time.
- huijzer 4y ago
  I can highly recommend to override the keyboard layout so that you can press CAPS-LOCK + <some letter> for arrow keys
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > I can highly recommend to override the keyboard layout so that you can press CAPS-LOCK + <some letter> for arrow keys It's easier to simply buy a machine with a better keyboard than to memorise a whole new set of keychords that I won't be using anywhere else. There's a lot of nice laptops out there with decent keyboard layouts, even in the 14" range.
- tehlike 4y ago
  A lot of employees of big corp disagrees with you, sadly. Some don't even get the option. While at Google, i used to get Lenovo first few times, but switched to MacBook for battery and display. Screen actually makes a huge difference...

aspyct 4y ago

I really don't care about 4k on a small screen.

tehlike 4y ago
I thought I didn't too, but after using Macs due to work, i couldn't stand it and returned my laptop and got 4k
znpy 4y ago
I'd be more interested in a 16:10 aspect ration, ideally at 1920x1200

RL_Quine 4y ago

Maybe not 4k, but 1080p is miserable.

fwipsy 4y ago
How close are you sitting to your laptop? I usually use 15.6" 1080p from about 60cm away and can't tell a difference from a higher resolution. If you search "retina distance calculator" then they say there's no benefit from higher resolution at that distance or greater. And even if you can perceive it as being slightly sharper, "miserable" definitely seems like a stretch.
- tehlike 4y ago
  I can tell the difference, that's why I returned my previous laptop and got 4k. I also like my screen text small, so more fits.

viraptor 4y ago

I'm specifically buying 1080 or 1440p to save battery. Also on 14" I can barely see any difference. I'd maybe go with 4k on 17".

tehlike 4y ago
I am nearly always plugged in, so i stopped optimizing for it but it's great to have for sure. Macs do great here, great display, great battery in general. My personal laptop is a gigabyte aero 4k and battery doesn't last quite as long.
- viraptor 4y ago
  I've gone there and further. Specifically, most of the time I'm plugged in, so I've got external screens and the built in one doesn't matter. On the other hand, the only time I don't have them, the battery matters just as much.

seibelj 4y ago

PopOS 22 bricked my touchpad (System76). Other people have posted about the same issue and no fix is here. Minus the touchpad, great laptop. I just use an external mouse but I prefer a working touchpad.

tehlike 4y ago
With MacBooks, i can work with touchpad fairly well... Every other touchpad i used on Linux machines make me hate them. They are not high quality metal-ish touchpads so they wear off and so on.
- pmontra 4y ago
  I've been using the same ZBook 15 since 2014. The touchpad didn't wear off. I'm using it only to move the pointer and scroll, no click (there are hardware buttons) and no gestures. Maybe that increases the lifespan of the touchpad or it's just a good one.
  - tehlike 4y ago
    Likely a good one. Most of my wearoffs happened due to scrolling or just normal pointer movements.
tehlike 4y ago
I had a similar touchpad situation, i forgot if me replacing the laptop for something else or new version of pop fixed it...

rektide 4y ago

It's ironic, because Macs somewhat crappily upscale a lot of onscreen content & dont run at native resolution. I hope there's less jank better options but SwitchX Pro or whatever is what I use to coerce my macbook into running native res. People will drop what they are doing & walk over to me & exclaim: "you can read that?!?!". It's 2880x1800, not even that high density. But it's indeed tiny. I somewhat jokingly answer the trick is to already know whats on the screen. So yes, more would be nice, in my book, but hardly required, and most of the evidence I see is of people unable to use anything better than 1080p. Do you have any particular reason to be trashing on the trackpad or is this just more general pissery?

tehlike 4y ago
I have gigabyte aero 4k display. i love the display, i almost hate everything else - the touchpad, the ports, the charger, the wobbliness of the screen hinge. Only bought it for display and it don't regret it.
tehlike 4y ago
As for touchpad, it wasn't a particular piss at this machine but general situation for nonmacs. I am not a Mac fanboy, i love my Linux laptop but nearly everything i tried had some weirdness about them. Some wears off really fast, some are not as responsive (may be a software driver issue, which i have had problems with pop before but not recently). Macs have had consistently performed great.

lelanthran 4y ago

> Manufacturers need to produce laptops with 4k display if they are willing to compete with Macs... And also a decent touch pad... For a dev machine, manufacturers aren't competing with Macs. I've got a macbook right here next to me: No function keys No pageup/pagedown/home/end/insert[1] keys Poor and crappy support for my USB keyboard (which does have all those missing keys). At least the macbook has an inverted T set of arrows keys, even if they are half-size. [1] I use shift-insert all the time.

huijzer 4y ago
I can highly recommend to override the keyboard layout so that you can press CAPS-LOCK + <some letter> for arrow keys
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > I can highly recommend to override the keyboard layout so that you can press CAPS-LOCK + <some letter> for arrow keys It's easier to simply buy a machine with a better keyboard than to memorise a whole new set of keychords that I won't be using anywhere else. There's a lot of nice laptops out there with decent keyboard layouts, even in the 14" range.
tehlike 4y ago
A lot of employees of big corp disagrees with you, sadly. Some don't even get the option. While at Google, i used to get Lenovo first few times, but switched to MacBook for battery and display. Screen actually makes a huge difference...