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>For years now, there have been seemingly crazy people on 4chan who insist that systems like this are already employed on 4chan to guide or simply disrupt conve

by na85 4y ago

>For years now, there have been seemingly crazy people on 4chan who insist that systems like this are already employed on 4chan to guide or simply disrupt conversations. I'd say that probably from about 2009 and certainly from the onset of the Trump candidacy, it would be absurd to suggest there wasn't at least some degree of astroturfing occurring on /b/ and /pol/ (aka /new/ depending on what time frame we're talking about) at a minimum. It's important to remember that 4chan was a lot more influential in the past, and the anonymous nature of posting there would seem to me to make it an easy place for early astroturfing campaigns to manufacture their common ground.

dendrite9 4y ago
For whatever reason, looking back from now the Ron Paul stuff seems like a major shift. It seemed like natural support, different from the Obama enthusiasm for in some way. I haven't thought about it much before your post but it almost feels like it was a trial run for methods later used in the Trump campaign.
- Melting_Harps 4y ago
Terry_Roll 4y ago
- Thorrez 4y ago
  >From my own experience I dont think its just 4chan, so I used to be able to copy and paste paragraphs from web forums and paste them into Google and Google would give me a list of every website where the exact same conversations were taking place. That sounds to me like there were spam sites that were making duplicates of real forums. I know I've found many results that are simply duplicates of Stack Overflow for example. If Google Search managed to filter out the spam sites from the results, that sounds like a good thing. Disclosure: Google employee
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    > sites that were making duplicates of real forums Horrible startup idea: silently syndicate groups of forums that use wildly different branding to achieve people with different viewpoints constantly engaging with each other in some potentially novel way to an outside observer.
    - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
      Shit, now I don't know if I'm an AI.
  - Terry_Roll 4y ago
    > That sounds to me like there were spam sites that were making duplicates of real forums. No, it was the security services.
    - Thorrez 4y ago
      Do you have evidence for that? Are the security services also the ones that make copies of Stack Overflow content?
      - Terry_Roll 4y ago
        Cant say about the Stack Overflow content, I've had loads of webpages removed from from the Wayback Machine. The idea that everything that goes online stays online forever, forget that, they wipe what they like, so then it means that you get classed as mentally unwell, get locked up without trial and drugs forced down your neck. Rinse and Repeat. I understand why massacres occur now.
        Thorrez 4y ago
        Do you have an example URL that got removed from the wayback machine? I could email them and ask why. I know people sometimes they get DMCA requests which cause them to remove pages, and I think if the robots.txt tells them to remove the whole site, they'll remove all pages from the whole site. I think it's a bit strange to say that a page on the wayback machine being removed leads to drugs being forced down your neck.

by na85 4y ago

dendrite9 4y ago

For whatever reason, looking back from now the Ron Paul stuff seems like a major shift. It seemed like natural support, different from the Obama enthusiasm for in some way. I haven't thought about it much before your post but it almost feels like it was a trial run for methods later used in the Trump campaign.

Melting_Harps 4y ago

Terry_Roll 4y ago

Thorrez 4y ago
>From my own experience I dont think its just 4chan, so I used to be able to copy and paste paragraphs from web forums and paste them into Google and Google would give me a list of every website where the exact same conversations were taking place. That sounds to me like there were spam sites that were making duplicates of real forums. I know I've found many results that are simply duplicates of Stack Overflow for example. If Google Search managed to filter out the spam sites from the results, that sounds like a good thing. Disclosure: Google employee
- aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
  > sites that were making duplicates of real forums Horrible startup idea: silently syndicate groups of forums that use wildly different branding to achieve people with different viewpoints constantly engaging with each other in some potentially novel way to an outside observer.
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    Shit, now I don't know if I'm an AI.
- Terry_Roll 4y ago
  > That sounds to me like there were spam sites that were making duplicates of real forums. No, it was the security services.
  - Thorrez 4y ago
    Do you have evidence for that? Are the security services also the ones that make copies of Stack Overflow content?
    - Terry_Roll 4y ago
      Cant say about the Stack Overflow content, I've had loads of webpages removed from from the Wayback Machine. The idea that everything that goes online stays online forever, forget that, they wipe what they like, so then it means that you get classed as mentally unwell, get locked up without trial and drugs forced down your neck. Rinse and Repeat. I understand why massacres occur now.
      - Thorrez 4y ago
        Do you have an example URL that got removed from the wayback machine? I could email them and ask why. I know people sometimes they get DMCA requests which cause them to remove pages, and I think if the robots.txt tells them to remove the whole site, they'll remove all pages from the whole site. I think it's a bit strange to say that a page on the wayback machine being removed leads to drugs being forced down your neck.