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It’s particularly galling when the prime minister introduces very strict regulations, that even the queen has to abide by (infamously mourning for her husband a

It’s particularly galling when the prime minister introduces very strict regulations, that even the queen has to abide by (infamously mourning for her husband alone), and then members of the administration throw large parties at the prime minister’s residence. Sure, it’s not that bad from an absolute perspective, and probably no one was hurt by it, but the public generally expects individual members of the government to abide by the law no matter what.

thawaya3113 4y ago
Maybe Boris Johnson can go tell people who couldn’t mourn their loved ones, or people who got fined for mourning their loved ones, or grand parents that couldn’t meet their grand kids, etc. how him breaking the rules so he could have some parties and drinks that prevented them from doing all of that was not that bad from an absolute perspective.
- nprateem 4y ago
- gbear605 4y ago
  I only meant that it was unlikely that anyone got COVID as a result of the parties. The fact that all those people were unable to be with their loved ones while Boris was at an office party is absolutely horrible, and the fact that he didn’t abide by his own rules is reason to resign, as I see it.
thawaya3113 4y ago
Of course, the other crime, that requires him to resign is lying to Parliament, except he changed the ministerial code so he wouldn’t have to resign.
rayiner 4y ago
Lots of politicians in America violated their own stay at home orders, like Gavin Newsome. While I agree it’s bad, hypocritical, what have you, I wouldn’t say it’s “committing crimes”—even just from the perspective of expecting to be understood by others. I read the OP and thought I had missed some real news.
- Teever 4y ago
  You're playing semantics, and worse you're playing semantics with people from a different country, of course they're going to use words differently than you. With that said, I think there's a hole in your reasoning -- If the people who enacted these laws had found you breaking them they would damn well have called you a criminal for doing so.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    No, OP is playing semantics. “Committing crimes” has a meaning in ordinary usage, and it doesn’t encompass violating administrative rules. Here in Maryland, a speeding ticket is technically a misdemeanor violation of the criminal code. Nobody would call that “committing crimes”—because that would be confusing to other people.
- gbear605 4y ago
  It was quite literally a crime in the case of Boris Johnson, which is why I called it “committing crimes.” For Gavin Newsom, my understanding is that it technically was abiding by the rules because the restaurant was open air, but I’m not super familiar with the case. If it actually was against the rules, he should have resigned and let someone who shares his political views but didn’t break the regulations be the new governor. A political leader should at least be legally unimpeachable, and ideally morally too. The problem with the CA recall is that the only major opponents had a very different political position to him, but switching the state’s political control over a personal scandal seems absurd.

thawaya3113 4y ago

Maybe Boris Johnson can go tell people who couldn’t mourn their loved ones, or people who got fined for mourning their loved ones, or grand parents that couldn’t meet their grand kids, etc. how him breaking the rules so he could have some parties and drinks that prevented them from doing all of that was not that bad from an absolute perspective.

nprateem 4y ago
gbear605 4y ago
I only meant that it was unlikely that anyone got COVID as a result of the parties. The fact that all those people were unable to be with their loved ones while Boris was at an office party is absolutely horrible, and the fact that he didn’t abide by his own rules is reason to resign, as I see it.

thawaya3113 4y ago

Of course, the other crime, that requires him to resign is lying to Parliament, except he changed the ministerial code so he wouldn’t have to resign.

rayiner 4y ago

Lots of politicians in America violated their own stay at home orders, like Gavin Newsome. While I agree it’s bad, hypocritical, what have you, I wouldn’t say it’s “committing crimes”—even just from the perspective of expecting to be understood by others. I read the OP and thought I had missed some real news.

Teever 4y ago
You're playing semantics, and worse you're playing semantics with people from a different country, of course they're going to use words differently than you. With that said, I think there's a hole in your reasoning -- If the people who enacted these laws had found you breaking them they would damn well have called you a criminal for doing so.
- rayiner 4y ago
  No, OP is playing semantics. “Committing crimes” has a meaning in ordinary usage, and it doesn’t encompass violating administrative rules. Here in Maryland, a speeding ticket is technically a misdemeanor violation of the criminal code. Nobody would call that “committing crimes”—because that would be confusing to other people.
gbear605 4y ago
It was quite literally a crime in the case of Boris Johnson, which is why I called it “committing crimes.” For Gavin Newsom, my understanding is that it technically was abiding by the rules because the restaurant was open air, but I’m not super familiar with the case. If it actually was against the rules, he should have resigned and let someone who shares his political views but didn’t break the regulations be the new governor. A political leader should at least be legally unimpeachable, and ideally morally too. The problem with the CA recall is that the only major opponents had a very different political position to him, but switching the state’s political control over a personal scandal seems absurd.