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I’d trust a good can of tomatoes before I touch the borderline unappealing off season strawberries they have in those markets. Happy that you’re trying not to j

I’d trust a good can of tomatoes before I touch the borderline unappealing off season strawberries they have in those markets. Happy that you’re trying not to judge but looks like you still have a ways to go before getting off a high horse. As oogway says, “one often meets their destiny on their path to avoid it.” When I remember the solid research showing people taking multivitamins die faster I keep thinking what might be in store for people who swear organic food will make them live longer. Like your railing on frozen food. You realize frozen food is far fresher and less likely to have “chemicals” or whatever is your choice enemy right?

w-ll 4y ago
I feel the same with with orange juice FROM concentrate vs the shelf stable stuff, everyone calls me crazy for it.
- js2 4y ago
  I’m from Florida. You’re crazy. Both are equally bad. If you want fresh orange juice, buy Florida oranges and squeeze the juice yourself. They aren’t very good for eating though. For that you want California navels. (Florida’s true delicacies are the keylime and the stone crab. I’ve never gotten a keylime in a grocery store that comes close to what grows on the trees in the state. And stone crab you’ll never find in a grocery.)
  - iratewizard 4y ago
    I had no idea there was a difference between the oranges. What I know about is apples, growing up near a lot of apple farms. It's probably not worth trying to compare our niche insight, though.
  - ABeeSea 4y ago
    Stone Crab claws are one of the greatest seafoods in the US. But due to the way they are harvested (single claw snapped off and the rest of the crab thrown back), you have to eat them immediately so no shipping.
    - rightbyte 4y ago
      Wiki: > Harvesting is accomplished by removing one or both claws from the live animal and returning it to the ocean where it can regrow the lost limb(s). Incredible ... sounded so wasteful at first to not eat the body.
  - dntrkv 4y ago
    Plenty of stores offer freshly squeezed orange juice nowadays. Some have the machine that will do it right in front of you.
- klodolph 4y ago
  Neither option tastes anything like what it’s supposed to taste like, to me. The process of making concentrate loses most of the aroma, which is then added back using perfumes which are derived from oranges. Because the perfumes are made from oranges, using certain techniques, they do not have to be listed as separate ingredients, and the can will just say “orange” in the ingredient list. One fundamental problem is that natural orange juice goes bitter when exposed to air, and that problem isn’t solved by concentrating it… because you won’t drink it all right after reconstituting it. If you compare FCOJ to fresh-squeezed, the difference is not subtle. It’s incredibly obvious. It doesn’t even matter what type of orange you use for juicing—try them all.
  - treis 4y ago
    >Neither option tastes anything like what it’s supposed to taste like, to me. That's because the not from concentrate is mostly bullshit. They store the juice for up to a year and preserve it by deoxygenating the giant storage containers. That destroys most of the flavor and so they add in artificial flavor packs rendering the end product an orange flavored beverage instead of juice. From concentrate is actually better. That's 100% from an orange. You lose flavor from the solidification process but the end result is all from the orange.
    - klodolph 4y ago
      > You lose flavor from the solidification process but the end result is all from the orange. "All from the orange" is a clever conceit. It's a processed food product. If you get Minute Maid, it incorporates a flavor pack created by Coca-Cola. It's not listed in the ingredients because the flavor pack is made from orange.
      - treis 4y ago
        Unless I've been grossly misinformed those aren't added to the concentrate.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    > If you compare FCOJ to fresh-squeezed, the difference is not subtle. It’s incredibly obvious. It doesn’t even matter what type of orange you use for juicing—try them all. Completely agree and it’s so much better at least to me. I’d even go as far to say that many people who are used to drinking the concentrate or shelf stable stuff have no idea how much different fresh squeezed OJ tastes. To the point where it’s surprising and in some cases not to their taste because they are so used to the processed stuff.
- mupuff1234 4y ago
  I like eating the concentrated stuff semi-frozen, tastes better than most sorbets imo.
burnished 4y ago
>Like your railing on frozen food. You realize frozen food is far fresher and less likely to have “chemicals” or whatever is your choice enemy right? I think you're making stuff up here.
- deleted 4y ago
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- solarmist 4y ago
  Nope. This is true, but phrased in adversarial way. Google flash frozen foods. When frozen they can pause the aging of the food at a chosen time vs shipping it both the consumer and shipper are hoping to get the timing right. So frozen goods have much better control over the state of the food the reaches the consumer. Freezing also physically protects foods by making them harder.
  - burnished 4y ago
    Thank you, I should have been more specific, I meant 'making stuff up' in reference to the adversarial portion.
- klodolph 4y ago
  No, the sentiment about frozen food being superior is on the mark although the exact argument isn’t correct. Frozen produce is harvested at peak, frozen nearby, and then transported. The texture suffers, but in other respects this is far superior to the “fresh” produce you get, which has to survive transportation at room temperature. Whether you would prefer frozen depends on what you are getting and how you prepare it, but there are tons of scenarios where you should prefer frozen foods. Certain foods are clear winners frozen, like peas, corn, spinach, if they are going to be cooked. If you’re making sauces, fillings, pies, etc from berries, frozen berries are your best bet. The non-frozen berries have to be shelf stable and the shelf stable ones don’t taste good. The good tasting berries keep well frozen.
  - rightbyte 4y ago
    > far superior to the “fresh” produce you get, which has to survive transportation at room temperature Depends on the distance to transport and water content though. I have never eaten frozen pinneapple, but I guess it would be awful?
herbst 4y ago
Sure they are fresher (if the fruit accepts being frozen) however I don't see why they would have less chemicals. Most chemicals people try to avoid are used for growing and not packaging. The only way to avoid these is buying trustable organic labels. Please don't build a illusion of fair, non organic farms somehow working in a natural way when they actually are just as profit oriented as any other big company.
- ramraj07 4y ago
  You can buy organic frozen food as well, you know.
technothrasher 4y ago
> I remember the solid research showing people taking multivitamins die faster Do you think that could possibly be because people who are more sickly are more likely to try taking vitamins, as a curative? So it isn’t the vitamins killing them, but the disease making them take vitamins? Of course, I’d have to see the actual study you are referencing to see if they discussed causality.

w-ll 4y ago

I feel the same with with orange juice FROM concentrate vs the shelf stable stuff, everyone calls me crazy for it.

js2 4y ago
I’m from Florida. You’re crazy. Both are equally bad. If you want fresh orange juice, buy Florida oranges and squeeze the juice yourself. They aren’t very good for eating though. For that you want California navels. (Florida’s true delicacies are the keylime and the stone crab. I’ve never gotten a keylime in a grocery store that comes close to what grows on the trees in the state. And stone crab you’ll never find in a grocery.)
- iratewizard 4y ago
  I had no idea there was a difference between the oranges. What I know about is apples, growing up near a lot of apple farms. It's probably not worth trying to compare our niche insight, though.
- ABeeSea 4y ago
  Stone Crab claws are one of the greatest seafoods in the US. But due to the way they are harvested (single claw snapped off and the rest of the crab thrown back), you have to eat them immediately so no shipping.
  - rightbyte 4y ago
    Wiki: > Harvesting is accomplished by removing one or both claws from the live animal and returning it to the ocean where it can regrow the lost limb(s). Incredible ... sounded so wasteful at first to not eat the body.
- dntrkv 4y ago
  Plenty of stores offer freshly squeezed orange juice nowadays. Some have the machine that will do it right in front of you.
klodolph 4y ago
Neither option tastes anything like what it’s supposed to taste like, to me. The process of making concentrate loses most of the aroma, which is then added back using perfumes which are derived from oranges. Because the perfumes are made from oranges, using certain techniques, they do not have to be listed as separate ingredients, and the can will just say “orange” in the ingredient list. One fundamental problem is that natural orange juice goes bitter when exposed to air, and that problem isn’t solved by concentrating it… because you won’t drink it all right after reconstituting it. If you compare FCOJ to fresh-squeezed, the difference is not subtle. It’s incredibly obvious. It doesn’t even matter what type of orange you use for juicing—try them all.
- treis 4y ago
  >Neither option tastes anything like what it’s supposed to taste like, to me. That's because the not from concentrate is mostly bullshit. They store the juice for up to a year and preserve it by deoxygenating the giant storage containers. That destroys most of the flavor and so they add in artificial flavor packs rendering the end product an orange flavored beverage instead of juice. From concentrate is actually better. That's 100% from an orange. You lose flavor from the solidification process but the end result is all from the orange.
  - klodolph 4y ago
    > You lose flavor from the solidification process but the end result is all from the orange. "All from the orange" is a clever conceit. It's a processed food product. If you get Minute Maid, it incorporates a flavor pack created by Coca-Cola. It's not listed in the ingredients because the flavor pack is made from orange.
    - treis 4y ago
      Unless I've been grossly misinformed those aren't added to the concentrate.
- kcplate 4y ago
  > If you compare FCOJ to fresh-squeezed, the difference is not subtle. It’s incredibly obvious. It doesn’t even matter what type of orange you use for juicing—try them all. Completely agree and it’s so much better at least to me. I’d even go as far to say that many people who are used to drinking the concentrate or shelf stable stuff have no idea how much different fresh squeezed OJ tastes. To the point where it’s surprising and in some cases not to their taste because they are so used to the processed stuff.
mupuff1234 4y ago
I like eating the concentrated stuff semi-frozen, tastes better than most sorbets imo.

burnished 4y ago

>Like your railing on frozen food. You realize frozen food is far fresher and less likely to have “chemicals” or whatever is your choice enemy right? I think you're making stuff up here.

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solarmist 4y ago
Nope. This is true, but phrased in adversarial way. Google flash frozen foods. When frozen they can pause the aging of the food at a chosen time vs shipping it both the consumer and shipper are hoping to get the timing right. So frozen goods have much better control over the state of the food the reaches the consumer. Freezing also physically protects foods by making them harder.
- burnished 4y ago
  Thank you, I should have been more specific, I meant 'making stuff up' in reference to the adversarial portion.
klodolph 4y ago
No, the sentiment about frozen food being superior is on the mark although the exact argument isn’t correct. Frozen produce is harvested at peak, frozen nearby, and then transported. The texture suffers, but in other respects this is far superior to the “fresh” produce you get, which has to survive transportation at room temperature. Whether you would prefer frozen depends on what you are getting and how you prepare it, but there are tons of scenarios where you should prefer frozen foods. Certain foods are clear winners frozen, like peas, corn, spinach, if they are going to be cooked. If you’re making sauces, fillings, pies, etc from berries, frozen berries are your best bet. The non-frozen berries have to be shelf stable and the shelf stable ones don’t taste good. The good tasting berries keep well frozen.
- rightbyte 4y ago
  > far superior to the “fresh” produce you get, which has to survive transportation at room temperature Depends on the distance to transport and water content though. I have never eaten frozen pinneapple, but I guess it would be awful?

herbst 4y ago

Sure they are fresher (if the fruit accepts being frozen) however I don't see why they would have less chemicals. Most chemicals people try to avoid are used for growing and not packaging. The only way to avoid these is buying trustable organic labels. Please don't build a illusion of fair, non organic farms somehow working in a natural way when they actually are just as profit oriented as any other big company.

ramraj07 4y ago
You can buy organic frozen food as well, you know.

technothrasher 4y ago

> I remember the solid research showing people taking multivitamins die faster Do you think that could possibly be because people who are more sickly are more likely to try taking vitamins, as a curative? So it isn’t the vitamins killing them, but the disease making them take vitamins? Of course, I’d have to see the actual study you are referencing to see if they discussed causality.