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> The issue is that in the race to the bottom to build everything cheaply, quickly and in large quantities, is that you get a ton of low quality products that b

> The issue is that in the race to the bottom to build everything cheaply, quickly and in large quantities, is that you get a ton of low quality products that become junk soon after purchase. You'll get from China factories what you order, and then verify the quality of, from Chinese factories. Same as US factories. Apple products are made in China. Some of the finest engineered and assembled consumer electronics ever made. Teslas are made in the US, panel gaps and all. Lots of Italian made sports cars have utter trash quality control. > That might be the case now, but manufacturing moved to China decades ago partly because of cheap labor and as a cost saving measure for companies building elsewhere. That was 30 years ago. NYC used to be a hot bed of cheap manufacturing as well, 100 years ago. Things change.

imiric 4y ago
> You'll get from China factories what you order, and then verify the quality of, from Chinese factories. Agreed. I mentioned that in my last point about IP, which you conveniently ignored. Apple is an outlier. For every such company, there are thousands of others abroad and local to China that are making absolute trash that only serves to scam consumers and/or end up in landfills shortly after purchase. I can't count how many Chinese-made things I've bought that ended up in the trash a few days/weeks/months after purchase. I also own a lot of poorly made Chinese electronics that have survived for years, so technically they pass QA, but are cheap feeling and annoying to use despite being expensive. Lenovo laptops come to mind. Have you seen how rampant this is on Amazon, Wish.com, et al, let alone on Chinese owned retailers? There are entire product categories where you can't avoid buying a shoddy product simply because no alternative exists. I spend hours scouring Amazon to find brand names and sellers I can trust in an attempt to avoid this, dodging page after page of knockoff garbage. It's absolutely exhausting, and often impossible to avoid. A lot of people have given up entirely on purchasing from Amazon, but the convenience is a big factor for me. So, yes, there are some products made in China with strict quality control that are worthwhile owning. But most are just quick waste making some shady CEOs rich. In either case, they'll most likely be copied and eventually made as cheaply as possible.[1][2] [1]: https://www.scmp.com/tech/gear/article/3035376/chinese-factories-rushing-get-knock-offs-apples-airpods-pro-local-buyers https://www.scmp.com/tech/gear/article/3035376/chinese-facto... [2]: https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-fake-chinese-apple-store-shenzen-kunming-2015-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-fake-chinese-apple-st...
- com2kid 4y ago
  > Agreed. I mentioned that in my last point about IP, which you conveniently ignored. Apologizes, you did indeed mention it, I was on mobile and skimmed past it. > I can't count how many Chinese-made things I've bought that ended up in the trash a few days/weeks/months after purchase. I also own a lot of poorly made Chinese electronics that have survived for years, so technically they pass QA, but are cheap feeling and annoying to use despite being expensive. Lenovo laptops come to mind. Having been to China multiple times, they have perfectly good electronics for sale domestically. Heck for some product categories, the electronics over there are better than what you can get in the United States. > Have you seen how rampant this is on Amazon, Wish.com, et al, let alone on Chinese owned retailers? Wish.com's entire business model is cheap crap. They are the online equivalent of a dollar store. The problem on Amazon is real, although I sometimes encounter some really good Chinese made products, not electronic but I recently purchased a shoe rack from a Chinese retailer on Amazon and it is worlds better than any of the shoe racks American brands are selling. I also remember a4tech back in the day, they had some absolutely amazing mice! I still miss my duel scroll wheel optical mouse, I loved that thing. > It's absolutely exhausting, and often impossible to avoid. A lot of people have given up entirely on purchasing from Amazon, but the convenience is a big factor for me. My issue is that American brands are also making crap products. You have companies like DJI making products so good that they put American competitors right out of business. But you also have a strange lack of quality smart watches out of China, figure someone who cares would make a smartwatch with quality firmware. I am genuinely confused as to why this hasn't happened yet.

imiric 4y ago

> You'll get from China factories what you order, and then verify the quality of, from Chinese factories. Agreed. I mentioned that in my last point about IP, which you conveniently ignored. Apple is an outlier. For every such company, there are thousands of others abroad and local to China that are making absolute trash that only serves to scam consumers and/or end up in landfills shortly after purchase. I can't count how many Chinese-made things I've bought that ended up in the trash a few days/weeks/months after purchase. I also own a lot of poorly made Chinese electronics that have survived for years, so technically they pass QA, but are cheap feeling and annoying to use despite being expensive. Lenovo laptops come to mind. Have you seen how rampant this is on Amazon, Wish.com, et al, let alone on Chinese owned retailers? There are entire product categories where you can't avoid buying a shoddy product simply because no alternative exists. I spend hours scouring Amazon to find brand names and sellers I can trust in an attempt to avoid this, dodging page after page of knockoff garbage. It's absolutely exhausting, and often impossible to avoid. A lot of people have given up entirely on purchasing from Amazon, but the convenience is a big factor for me. So, yes, there are some products made in China with strict quality control that are worthwhile owning. But most are just quick waste making some shady CEOs rich. In either case, they'll most likely be copied and eventually made as cheaply as possible.[1][2] [1]: https://www.scmp.com/tech/gear/article/3035376/chinese-factories-rushing-get-knock-offs-apples-airpods-pro-local-buyers https://www.scmp.com/tech/gear/article/3035376/chinese-facto... [2]: https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-fake-chinese-apple-store-shenzen-kunming-2015-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-fake-chinese-apple-st...

com2kid 4y ago
> Agreed. I mentioned that in my last point about IP, which you conveniently ignored. Apologizes, you did indeed mention it, I was on mobile and skimmed past it. > I can't count how many Chinese-made things I've bought that ended up in the trash a few days/weeks/months after purchase. I also own a lot of poorly made Chinese electronics that have survived for years, so technically they pass QA, but are cheap feeling and annoying to use despite being expensive. Lenovo laptops come to mind. Having been to China multiple times, they have perfectly good electronics for sale domestically. Heck for some product categories, the electronics over there are better than what you can get in the United States. > Have you seen how rampant this is on Amazon, Wish.com, et al, let alone on Chinese owned retailers? Wish.com's entire business model is cheap crap. They are the online equivalent of a dollar store. The problem on Amazon is real, although I sometimes encounter some really good Chinese made products, not electronic but I recently purchased a shoe rack from a Chinese retailer on Amazon and it is worlds better than any of the shoe racks American brands are selling. I also remember a4tech back in the day, they had some absolutely amazing mice! I still miss my duel scroll wheel optical mouse, I loved that thing. > It's absolutely exhausting, and often impossible to avoid. A lot of people have given up entirely on purchasing from Amazon, but the convenience is a big factor for me. My issue is that American brands are also making crap products. You have companies like DJI making products so good that they put American competitors right out of business. But you also have a strange lack of quality smart watches out of China, figure someone who cares would make a smartwatch with quality firmware. I am genuinely confused as to why this hasn't happened yet.