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CBC is not really a credible source. I don't know anything about this story but would look for a slightly less partisan source (like the New York Times or slate

CBC is not really a credible source. I don't know anything about this story but would look for a slightly less partisan source (like the New York Times or slate.com or The Atlantic) before reacting.

quantified 4y ago
[https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ohio-let-teachers-carry-guns-after-24-hours-training-2022-06-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ohio-let-teachers-carry-gun...]
- jleyank 4y ago
  Their own papers: https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/06/01/gop-lawmakers-pass-bill-allowing-for-armed-teachers-dewine-signals-support/ https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/06/01/gop-lawmakers-pass... Canada's (very) conservative press: https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/ohio-to-let-teachers-carry-guns-after-24-hours-of-training https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/ohio-to-let-... Right-wing newspaper: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/02/ohio-poised-lower-training-hours-armed-teachers/7484968001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/02/ohio-p... Left-wing news: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ohio-governor-to-sign-bill-allowing-armed-school-employees https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ohio-governor-to-sign-bi... Mainstream news: https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-house-passes-bill-that-would-allow-school-employees-arm-themselves/530-38c9c2b9-3a8d-4c6e-8226-1019eded4867 https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-house-pass... Fox news: https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-teachers-carry-guns-training https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-teachers-carry-guns-training satisfied?
908B64B197 4y ago
It's also state funded by an extremely liberal government who itself tried to push extremely restrictive gun laws. What people are quick to forget is that the difference between a shooting and a mass shooting is a quick and prompt armed response. Basically a good guy with a gun. Ironically, Canadians themselves proved that 15 years ago [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting
- mikestew 4y ago
  In light of what we're finding out about recent events in Texas, this almost comes across as satire.
- bediger4000 4y ago
  Uvalde cops entered the chat
- kenrose 4y ago
  I think every other country in the world has shown that reducing access to guns is the only reliable way to prevent mass shootings. Good guy with a gun is ad hoc, dangerous (collateral damage), and ineffective.
  - 908B64B197 4y ago
    Prevent no. Reduce shootings sure, not mass murders however. Almost as if people with criminal intent or mental issues would find a way and not follow the law. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London,_Ontario_truck_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London,_Ontario_truck_attack [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing [4] https://nypost.com/2020/11/03/quebec-police-release-new-details-in-deadly-halloween-attacks/ https://nypost.com/2020/11/03/quebec-police-release-new-deta... [5] https://www.the-sun.com/news/2445508/toronto-van-attack-incel-killer-guilty/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/2445508/toronto-van-attack-ince... [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_London_Bridge_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_London_Bridge_attack
- version_five 4y ago
  More recently in Canada, and in response to an mass shooting that the police were not equipped to handle (the one in Moncton), the RCMP were issued "carbines" which as I understand are machine guns and better suited to mounting an armed response against an active shooter.
- 4y ago
hotpotamus 4y ago
I find it funny how you seem skeptical that Republicans would do one of the things they've been saying they would do.
refurb 4y ago
The default Canadian approach is to never try and fix things in Canada, just keep reminding voters how much “worse” things are in the US.
- 908B64B197 4y ago
  Then why is there a strong brain drain from Canada to the US? It's been like that for decades?
  - refurb 4y ago
    Notice my quotes around “worse”.
- jleyank 4y ago
  Err, they're increasing the restrictions on gun ownership and the kinds of guns that can be owned (such as long guns)... This strikes me as endeavouring to address the problems rather than sending thoughtsandprayers.
  - version_five 4y ago
    What problem are they addressing? They are jumping on American current events to make some laws that are not relevant for canada or Canadian current events, in order to score political points. Canada has lots of real problems that government could focus on, but instead they love token gestures like this.
    - jleyank 4y ago
      More guns than people down south. Open border, basically, with US, leading increased smuggling. Trying to keep the ability to shoot-to-kill down in agreement with the rest of the G-7. There's enough issues with the cultural exports of the US, so it makes sense to head off some of the less desirable features. Ideally, they'll couple the reduction of gun availability with an increase in mental health treatment, but the different approach to health care helps a little.

CBC is not really a credible source. I don't know anything about this story but would look for a slightly less partisan source (like the New York Times or slate.com or The Atlantic) before reacting.

quantified 4y ago

[https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ohio-let-teachers-carry-guns-after-24-hours-training-2022-06-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ohio-let-teachers-carry-gun...]

jleyank 4y ago
Their own papers: https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/06/01/gop-lawmakers-pass-bill-allowing-for-armed-teachers-dewine-signals-support/ https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/06/01/gop-lawmakers-pass... Canada's (very) conservative press: https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/ohio-to-let-teachers-carry-guns-after-24-hours-of-training https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/ohio-to-let-... Right-wing newspaper: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/02/ohio-poised-lower-training-hours-armed-teachers/7484968001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/02/ohio-p... Left-wing news: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ohio-governor-to-sign-bill-allowing-armed-school-employees https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ohio-governor-to-sign-bi... Mainstream news: https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-house-passes-bill-that-would-allow-school-employees-arm-themselves/530-38c9c2b9-3a8d-4c6e-8226-1019eded4867 https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-house-pass... Fox news: https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-teachers-carry-guns-training https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-teachers-carry-guns-training satisfied?

908B64B197 4y ago

It's also state funded by an extremely liberal government who itself tried to push extremely restrictive gun laws. What people are quick to forget is that the difference between a shooting and a mass shooting is a quick and prompt armed response. Basically a good guy with a gun. Ironically, Canadians themselves proved that 15 years ago [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting

mikestew 4y ago
In light of what we're finding out about recent events in Texas, this almost comes across as satire.
bediger4000 4y ago
Uvalde cops entered the chat
kenrose 4y ago
I think every other country in the world has shown that reducing access to guns is the only reliable way to prevent mass shootings. Good guy with a gun is ad hoc, dangerous (collateral damage), and ineffective.
- 908B64B197 4y ago
  Prevent no. Reduce shootings sure, not mass murders however. Almost as if people with criminal intent or mental issues would find a way and not follow the law. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London,_Ontario_truck_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London,_Ontario_truck_attack [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Calgary_stabbing [4] https://nypost.com/2020/11/03/quebec-police-release-new-details-in-deadly-halloween-attacks/ https://nypost.com/2020/11/03/quebec-police-release-new-deta... [5] https://www.the-sun.com/news/2445508/toronto-van-attack-incel-killer-guilty/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/2445508/toronto-van-attack-ince... [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_London_Bridge_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_London_Bridge_attack
version_five 4y ago
More recently in Canada, and in response to an mass shooting that the police were not equipped to handle (the one in Moncton), the RCMP were issued "carbines" which as I understand are machine guns and better suited to mounting an armed response against an active shooter.
4y ago

hotpotamus 4y ago

I find it funny how you seem skeptical that Republicans would do one of the things they've been saying they would do.

refurb 4y ago

The default Canadian approach is to never try and fix things in Canada, just keep reminding voters how much “worse” things are in the US.

908B64B197 4y ago
Then why is there a strong brain drain from Canada to the US? It's been like that for decades?
- refurb 4y ago
  Notice my quotes around “worse”.
jleyank 4y ago
Err, they're increasing the restrictions on gun ownership and the kinds of guns that can be owned (such as long guns)... This strikes me as endeavouring to address the problems rather than sending thoughtsandprayers.
- version_five 4y ago
  What problem are they addressing? They are jumping on American current events to make some laws that are not relevant for canada or Canadian current events, in order to score political points. Canada has lots of real problems that government could focus on, but instead they love token gestures like this.
  - jleyank 4y ago
    More guns than people down south. Open border, basically, with US, leading increased smuggling. Trying to keep the ability to shoot-to-kill down in agreement with the rest of the G-7. There's enough issues with the cultural exports of the US, so it makes sense to head off some of the less desirable features. Ideally, they'll couple the reduction of gun availability with an increase in mental health treatment, but the different approach to health care helps a little.