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maybe Basecamp’s no politics at work policy wasn’t that bad after all…

by ushakov 4y ago

frostburg 4y ago
How does that work when apparently there are Indian managers that discriminate against lower caste Indians under them?
- criddell 4y ago
  Does the Indian-ness of the manager matter? Nobody actually thinks discrimination is okay.
  - frostburg 4y ago
    This is basically invisible to "us" (assuming you're not Indian); I'm a comparatively well read westerner regarding this issue but I have no practical ability to spot the subtle signifiers that let people familiar with system glean who "belongs" to what caste if they care to. Also non-Indian managers are very unlikely to be interested in discriminating against specific subgroups of Indians even if they're huge bigots or something, so this is a pretty specifically inter-Indian issue.
  - seoaeu 4y ago
    Opposing things that everybody is against isn't political. The fact that this topic is being labeled as politics is proof that some people are OK with it.
epistasis 4y ago
That policy doesn't mean that there's no politics at work, just that there's no open discussion of the politics that are affecting employees and the company. See for example: https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidden-caste-system/ https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidde...
- ushakov 4y ago
  i seriously doubt that no politics at work policy was to undermine discussions about employees struggles to me it seems that people got carried away by political debacle so much they forgot what they should actually be doing on their job moreover i doubt Basecamp had a caste problem to begin with
  - salawat 4y ago
    It amuses me how many people rate economic life as taking primacy over civic life. Economic activity is an outcome that happens in the presence of a stable civic situation. Economic activity does not spontaneously create polite and cooperative groups of people. If anything, civic/political matters take primacy over economics any day. Once your political landscape degenerates, your economic underpinning is generally quick to follow in the ensuing chaos. How have people not realized this yet?
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    - ushakov 4y ago
      yep, that’s why we should ban political agenda at work why talk shit about politics when we can spend time together making money! we already contribute a significant portion of our income to taxes maybe we should have political debates with the very people we sponsor and not our coworkers?
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  - Qworg 4y ago
    Why do you doubt this? This policy only came into play after leadership was called out.
    - ushakov 4y ago
      i mean what happened is that some employees called their customers funny names the management said no funny names no more and this has made some of the employees very upset they just couldn’t accept they won’t be able to call their customers funny names no more while being hired to do a job
madeofpalk 4y ago
"No politics at Google" is an impossible stance.

maybe Basecamp’s no politics at work policy wasn’t that bad after all…

frostburg 4y ago

How does that work when apparently there are Indian managers that discriminate against lower caste Indians under them?

criddell 4y ago
Does the Indian-ness of the manager matter? Nobody actually thinks discrimination is okay.
- frostburg 4y ago
  This is basically invisible to "us" (assuming you're not Indian); I'm a comparatively well read westerner regarding this issue but I have no practical ability to spot the subtle signifiers that let people familiar with system glean who "belongs" to what caste if they care to. Also non-Indian managers are very unlikely to be interested in discriminating against specific subgroups of Indians even if they're huge bigots or something, so this is a pretty specifically inter-Indian issue.
- seoaeu 4y ago
  Opposing things that everybody is against isn't political. The fact that this topic is being labeled as politics is proof that some people are OK with it.

epistasis 4y ago

That policy doesn't mean that there's no politics at work, just that there's no open discussion of the politics that are affecting employees and the company. See for example: https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidden-caste-system/ https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidde...

ushakov 4y ago
i seriously doubt that no politics at work policy was to undermine discussions about employees struggles to me it seems that people got carried away by political debacle so much they forgot what they should actually be doing on their job moreover i doubt Basecamp had a caste problem to begin with
- salawat 4y ago
  It amuses me how many people rate economic life as taking primacy over civic life. Economic activity is an outcome that happens in the presence of a stable civic situation. Economic activity does not spontaneously create polite and cooperative groups of people. If anything, civic/political matters take primacy over economics any day. Once your political landscape degenerates, your economic underpinning is generally quick to follow in the ensuing chaos. How have people not realized this yet?
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  - ushakov 4y ago
    yep, that’s why we should ban political agenda at work why talk shit about politics when we can spend time together making money! we already contribute a significant portion of our income to taxes maybe we should have political debates with the very people we sponsor and not our coworkers?
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- Qworg 4y ago
  Why do you doubt this? This policy only came into play after leadership was called out.
  - ushakov 4y ago
    i mean what happened is that some employees called their customers funny names the management said no funny names no more and this has made some of the employees very upset they just couldn’t accept they won’t be able to call their customers funny names no more while being hired to do a job

madeofpalk 4y ago

"No politics at Google" is an impossible stance.