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Or perhaps the solution should be to make it a high skilled job. Require all police to have advanced degrees in criminology and/or social work. Cultivate a guar

Or perhaps the solution should be to make it a high skilled job. Require all police to have advanced degrees in criminology and/or social work. Cultivate a guardian mindset and drive out anyone with a warrior mindset. This really needs to come with gun control, though. Police can't truly escape the warrior mindset until they can stop worrying that every person they encounter might be carrying a gun.

teakettle42 4y ago
> Require all police to have advanced degrees in ... social work Social workers with arrest powers would be creating a whole new set of problems. How about requiring a law degree? At least then they'd have no excuse for their blatant civil rights violations.
- chongli 4y ago
  I didn't say they should be social workers, I suggested they have a degree in social work. Police encounters with those in mental distress (either temporary due to a crisis or a deeper mental illness such as schizophrenia) frequently end in tragedy. I want to believe that a police officer trained as a social worker would have a much better chance of de-escalation a personal than current police do. The alternative is to have unarmed social workers, untrained in police work, accompany police officers to mental distress calls. This brings with it a host of other problems including, but not limited to, the possibility of the social worker being injured or killed in an altercation with an armed person in distress.
  - teakettle42 4y ago
    A police officer trained as a social worker is going to bring with them a whole new set of preconceptions and biases. Giving social workers arrest powers does not seem like an improvement to me.
bergenty 4y ago
No it isn’t. There’s no reason to turn a low skill job into a high skilled one just for the sake of it. The solution is to implement a quick exit for shit cops and train the rest on the job.
- teakettle42 4y ago
  You think determining the existence of probable cause under the law — and enacting arrests accordingly — is a low-skilled job task?
  - bergenty 4y ago
    Yes, the cops have very little comprehensive knowledge about the law as they are not required to know. Enacting an arrest, the way American cops do it, is probably as low skilled as it gets.
    - teakettle42 4y ago
      Why is this desirable? You want a low-skilled officer to be the person who decides, on the spot, whether or not you're going to have an arrest record, face arraignment, and spend tens of thousands on your own legal defense?
      - bergenty 4y ago
        Because making this high skilled would leave most American rural areas devoid of cops and that’s a terrible situation.
  - krapp 4y ago
    Do you really think the process of determining probable cause amounts to anything but a "vibe check" and maybe planted evidence and parallel construction for cops in the US?
    - teakettle42 4y ago

teakettle42 4y ago

> Require all police to have advanced degrees in ... social work Social workers with arrest powers would be creating a whole new set of problems. How about requiring a law degree? At least then they'd have no excuse for their blatant civil rights violations.

chongli 4y ago
I didn't say they should be social workers, I suggested they have a degree in social work. Police encounters with those in mental distress (either temporary due to a crisis or a deeper mental illness such as schizophrenia) frequently end in tragedy. I want to believe that a police officer trained as a social worker would have a much better chance of de-escalation a personal than current police do. The alternative is to have unarmed social workers, untrained in police work, accompany police officers to mental distress calls. This brings with it a host of other problems including, but not limited to, the possibility of the social worker being injured or killed in an altercation with an armed person in distress.
- teakettle42 4y ago
  A police officer trained as a social worker is going to bring with them a whole new set of preconceptions and biases. Giving social workers arrest powers does not seem like an improvement to me.

bergenty 4y ago

No it isn’t. There’s no reason to turn a low skill job into a high skilled one just for the sake of it. The solution is to implement a quick exit for shit cops and train the rest on the job.

teakettle42 4y ago
You think determining the existence of probable cause under the law — and enacting arrests accordingly — is a low-skilled job task?
- bergenty 4y ago
  Yes, the cops have very little comprehensive knowledge about the law as they are not required to know. Enacting an arrest, the way American cops do it, is probably as low skilled as it gets.
  - teakettle42 4y ago
    Why is this desirable? You want a low-skilled officer to be the person who decides, on the spot, whether or not you're going to have an arrest record, face arraignment, and spend tens of thousands on your own legal defense?
    - bergenty 4y ago
      Because making this high skilled would leave most American rural areas devoid of cops and that’s a terrible situation.
- krapp 4y ago
  Do you really think the process of determining probable cause amounts to anything but a "vibe check" and maybe planted evidence and parallel construction for cops in the US?
  - teakettle42 4y ago