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The police have to be put in their place. It’s a low skilled job— get rid of the union, make bodycams mandatory and heavily background check prospective candida

The police have to be put in their place. It’s a low skilled job— get rid of the union, make bodycams mandatory and heavily background check prospective candidates.

Kim_Bruning 4y ago
Proper policing actually requires quite some skill. In fact, perhaps US police training is a bit short compared to other countries. Especially given the somewhat more dangerous environment they work in. I think a union might be beneficial. I think few unions would be against investments in more training.
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  The police union in the USA is arguably a big part of the problem though.
  - bergenty 4y ago
    The police union is the biggest problem. It’s the only union that needs busting.
JaceLightning 4y ago
Yikes. Maybe if we didn't "defund the police" and treat them like guilty criminals, we wouldn't be in this problem.
- rexpop 4y ago
  Boy have you got cause and effect backwards. Hell, you've even got simple temporal event ordering backwards!
chongli 4y ago
Or perhaps the solution should be to make it a high skilled job. Require all police to have advanced degrees in criminology and/or social work. Cultivate a guardian mindset and drive out anyone with a warrior mindset. This really needs to come with gun control, though. Police can't truly escape the warrior mindset until they can stop worrying that every person they encounter might be carrying a gun.
- teakettle42 4y ago
  > Require all police to have advanced degrees in ... social work Social workers with arrest powers would be creating a whole new set of problems. How about requiring a law degree? At least then they'd have no excuse for their blatant civil rights violations.
  - chongli 4y ago
    I didn't say they should be social workers, I suggested they have a degree in social work. Police encounters with those in mental distress (either temporary due to a crisis or a deeper mental illness such as schizophrenia) frequently end in tragedy. I want to believe that a police officer trained as a social worker would have a much better chance of de-escalation a personal than current police do. The alternative is to have unarmed social workers, untrained in police work, accompany police officers to mental distress calls. This brings with it a host of other problems including, but not limited to, the possibility of the social worker being injured or killed in an altercation with an armed person in distress.
    - teakettle42 4y ago
      A police officer trained as a social worker is going to bring with them a whole new set of preconceptions and biases. Giving social workers arrest powers does not seem like an improvement to me.
- bergenty 4y ago
  No it isn’t. There’s no reason to turn a low skill job into a high skilled one just for the sake of it. The solution is to implement a quick exit for shit cops and train the rest on the job.
  - teakettle42 4y ago
    You think determining the existence of probable cause under the law — and enacting arrests accordingly — is a low-skilled job task?

The police have to be put in their place. It’s a low skilled job— get rid of the union, make bodycams mandatory and heavily background check prospective candidates.

Kim_Bruning 4y ago

Proper policing actually requires quite some skill. In fact, perhaps US police training is a bit short compared to other countries. Especially given the somewhat more dangerous environment they work in. I think a union might be beneficial. I think few unions would be against investments in more training.

bluefirebrand 4y ago
The police union in the USA is arguably a big part of the problem though.
- bergenty 4y ago
  The police union is the biggest problem. It’s the only union that needs busting.

JaceLightning 4y ago

Yikes. Maybe if we didn't "defund the police" and treat them like guilty criminals, we wouldn't be in this problem.

rexpop 4y ago
Boy have you got cause and effect backwards. Hell, you've even got simple temporal event ordering backwards!

chongli 4y ago

Or perhaps the solution should be to make it a high skilled job. Require all police to have advanced degrees in criminology and/or social work. Cultivate a guardian mindset and drive out anyone with a warrior mindset. This really needs to come with gun control, though. Police can't truly escape the warrior mindset until they can stop worrying that every person they encounter might be carrying a gun.

teakettle42 4y ago
> Require all police to have advanced degrees in ... social work Social workers with arrest powers would be creating a whole new set of problems. How about requiring a law degree? At least then they'd have no excuse for their blatant civil rights violations.
- chongli 4y ago
  I didn't say they should be social workers, I suggested they have a degree in social work. Police encounters with those in mental distress (either temporary due to a crisis or a deeper mental illness such as schizophrenia) frequently end in tragedy. I want to believe that a police officer trained as a social worker would have a much better chance of de-escalation a personal than current police do. The alternative is to have unarmed social workers, untrained in police work, accompany police officers to mental distress calls. This brings with it a host of other problems including, but not limited to, the possibility of the social worker being injured or killed in an altercation with an armed person in distress.
  - teakettle42 4y ago
    A police officer trained as a social worker is going to bring with them a whole new set of preconceptions and biases. Giving social workers arrest powers does not seem like an improvement to me.
bergenty 4y ago
No it isn’t. There’s no reason to turn a low skill job into a high skilled one just for the sake of it. The solution is to implement a quick exit for shit cops and train the rest on the job.
- teakettle42 4y ago
  You think determining the existence of probable cause under the law — and enacting arrests accordingly — is a low-skilled job task?