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In Europe almost everyone and many (most?) restaurants are electric-only. It means nothing for restaurants except they'll need to get electric appliances and g

In Europe almost everyone and many (most?) restaurants are electric-only. It means nothing for restaurants except they'll need to get electric appliances and grills will be slightly less common (since electric grills aren't great and solid fuel grills require their own hood vent).

chrisseaton 4y ago
> many (most?) restaurants are electric-only. Are you in the restaurant industry? Maybe you know more than me, but about 3/4 of restaurants I go to in Europe have open kitchens, and I mean it's completely obvious that every single one of them is using gas, as you can literally see the flames, and I guess those with closed kitchens it's similar, so I can't square what you're saying with my own eyes.
- forum_ghost 4y ago
  European restaurants (in any EU country, even Germany) absolutely do use gas, and it's fairly common. Depending on the restaurant, i'd go as far as to say "all" of them use it. At least the ones worth mentioning. Heating up hotdogs can probably done one something other than gas. Fewer natgas stover in Germany, more in Italy. Netherlands has like 92% of households hooked up to natural gas. Restaurants are mostly gas or induction.
  - Mikeb85 4y ago
    > At least the ones worth mentioning Of the top of my head can name a fair amount of 2/3 star restaurants that are all electric. BTW, Germany is among the MOST addicted to gas in the EU, despite their greenwashing. Generally the nations with the most nuclear energy are the lost likely to choose electric > gas.
    - forum_ghost 4y ago
      the famous french restaurants are cooking on electric, really?
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  https://iea-etsap.org/E-TechDS/PDF/R06_Cooking_FINAL_GSOK.pdf https://iea-etsap.org/E-TechDS/PDF/R06_Cooking_FINAL_GSOK.pd... Here's some stats. And yes I'm in the restaurant industry. Also keep in mind in Europe you can buy large cooking suites that look like traditional ranges that are all electric. You can get electric "French top" ranges. Most combi ovens sold are electric. In homes most built-in ranges are electric/induction. Freestanding ranges are slightly in favour of gas but most ovens are electric, even in freestanding applications.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    Doesn't seem to support your view? 'Within the EU, little data is available ... 41,000 electric devices and 9,200 gas appliances were sold'. And I mean like I say - I have eyes and I can see that it definitely is not the case that the majority of restaurants in Europe do not use gas. If you say you work in restaurants then I'm sure you know what you're talking about - only explanation can be we're connected to this website from parallel universes.
    - Mikeb85 4y ago
      So how many kitchens did you visit, what country, and what appliances were obviously gas? > 41,000 electric devices and 9,200 gas appliances were sold'. ??? That's a 4.5/1 ratio in favour of electric. Anyhow tons of new restaurants in EU countries use electric appliances. Yes gas exists, probably large majority in some countries, definitely minority in new builds, and varies by country. I also did say it's many, the "most" part was followed by a "?". Because as you pointed out, hard stats are hard to find.
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        I can literally see the flames in almost all restaurants I go to.
        Mikeb85 4y ago
        That's very informative, thanks.
- daniel-cussen 4y ago
  Second. It's just not cooking with electric, it sucks. It's not an adequate substitute the way electric heat is a substitute for gas heat. Not equivalent. I think it's ineconomical, takes too long to cook for a restaurant, just fucking sucks. It fucking sucks. Big gas ranges are the best, especially if they produce a huge flame and you can cook your bacon quickly and really get it nice, crispy. With electric the bacon ends up slimey. Plus it takes for ever to boil anything, no more soup.
  - Mikeb85 4y ago
    >Plus it takes for ever to boil anything Tell me you've never cooked on induction without telling me. If there's ONE thing an induction range does quantitatively better than a gas range, it's boil water...
    - daniel-cussen 4y ago
      Oh that's induction...just used electric resistance heating, that makes sense. Yeah water boilers. OK, well I take back the comment I made, not fully informed.
      - Mikeb85 4y ago
        I could have specified but at the professional level and high end in homes, electric basically means induction nowadays, for cooktops. In a professional kitchen an all electric setup would be: - induction cooktops - electric oven, usually a combi - electric fryers - electric water circulators And then they'll often add a small charcoal burning grill to the setup for grilling (I know, not electric but works with no gas hookup).
atestu 4y ago
Huh? Almost everyone I know in France ("Europe" is too big and varied to generalize imo) has a gas stove.

chrisseaton 4y ago

> many (most?) restaurants are electric-only. Are you in the restaurant industry? Maybe you know more than me, but about 3/4 of restaurants I go to in Europe have open kitchens, and I mean it's completely obvious that every single one of them is using gas, as you can literally see the flames, and I guess those with closed kitchens it's similar, so I can't square what you're saying with my own eyes.

forum_ghost 4y ago
European restaurants (in any EU country, even Germany) absolutely do use gas, and it's fairly common. Depending on the restaurant, i'd go as far as to say "all" of them use it. At least the ones worth mentioning. Heating up hotdogs can probably done one something other than gas. Fewer natgas stover in Germany, more in Italy. Netherlands has like 92% of households hooked up to natural gas. Restaurants are mostly gas or induction.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  > At least the ones worth mentioning Of the top of my head can name a fair amount of 2/3 star restaurants that are all electric. BTW, Germany is among the MOST addicted to gas in the EU, despite their greenwashing. Generally the nations with the most nuclear energy are the lost likely to choose electric > gas.
  - forum_ghost 4y ago
    the famous french restaurants are cooking on electric, really?
Mikeb85 4y ago
https://iea-etsap.org/E-TechDS/PDF/R06_Cooking_FINAL_GSOK.pdf https://iea-etsap.org/E-TechDS/PDF/R06_Cooking_FINAL_GSOK.pd... Here's some stats. And yes I'm in the restaurant industry. Also keep in mind in Europe you can buy large cooking suites that look like traditional ranges that are all electric. You can get electric "French top" ranges. Most combi ovens sold are electric. In homes most built-in ranges are electric/induction. Freestanding ranges are slightly in favour of gas but most ovens are electric, even in freestanding applications.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  Doesn't seem to support your view? 'Within the EU, little data is available ... 41,000 electric devices and 9,200 gas appliances were sold'. And I mean like I say - I have eyes and I can see that it definitely is not the case that the majority of restaurants in Europe do not use gas. If you say you work in restaurants then I'm sure you know what you're talking about - only explanation can be we're connected to this website from parallel universes.
  - Mikeb85 4y ago
    So how many kitchens did you visit, what country, and what appliances were obviously gas? > 41,000 electric devices and 9,200 gas appliances were sold'. ??? That's a 4.5/1 ratio in favour of electric. Anyhow tons of new restaurants in EU countries use electric appliances. Yes gas exists, probably large majority in some countries, definitely minority in new builds, and varies by country. I also did say it's many, the "most" part was followed by a "?". Because as you pointed out, hard stats are hard to find.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      I can literally see the flames in almost all restaurants I go to.
      - Mikeb85 4y ago
        That's very informative, thanks.
daniel-cussen 4y ago
Second. It's just not cooking with electric, it sucks. It's not an adequate substitute the way electric heat is a substitute for gas heat. Not equivalent. I think it's ineconomical, takes too long to cook for a restaurant, just fucking sucks. It fucking sucks. Big gas ranges are the best, especially if they produce a huge flame and you can cook your bacon quickly and really get it nice, crispy. With electric the bacon ends up slimey. Plus it takes for ever to boil anything, no more soup.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  >Plus it takes for ever to boil anything Tell me you've never cooked on induction without telling me. If there's ONE thing an induction range does quantitatively better than a gas range, it's boil water...
  - daniel-cussen 4y ago
    Oh that's induction...just used electric resistance heating, that makes sense. Yeah water boilers. OK, well I take back the comment I made, not fully informed.
    - Mikeb85 4y ago
      I could have specified but at the professional level and high end in homes, electric basically means induction nowadays, for cooktops. In a professional kitchen an all electric setup would be: - induction cooktops - electric oven, usually a combi - electric fryers - electric water circulators And then they'll often add a small charcoal burning grill to the setup for grilling (I know, not electric but works with no gas hookup).

atestu 4y ago

Huh? Almost everyone I know in France ("Europe" is too big and varied to generalize imo) has a gas stove.