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gas stoves vent toxic fumes into the house, run the risk of blowing your house up, and are inferior to induction stoves in almost every way. Any time this come

by zionic 4y ago

gas stoves vent toxic fumes into the house, run the risk of blowing your house up, and are inferior to induction stoves in almost every way. Any time this comes up I love to singe the praises of induction!

AlgorithmicTime 4y ago
Induction stoves are seriously inferior to gas, in every way. They are slower to heat. They are more expensive to operate. They are more fragile. They rely on complex electronics vs. simple mechanics. They require specific cookware made out of only certain materials. They require direct contact with the "burner" to work. In what possible way are they superior?
- cecilpl2 4y ago
  They are faster to heat than gas since they can deliver all energy directly to the pan, whereas gas wastes ~75% of the energy heating the surrounding air. They boil water much faster than even an electric kettle for this reason. Pot handles don't get hot from the hot air going up the side. They are much easier to clean. Spills don't get burnt onto the cooktop. There's no risk of fire or burning oneself. No risk of a gas leak from bumping a knob. No harmful pollutants emitted by combusting fossil fuels in an interior space.
  - MisterBastahrd 4y ago
    That's not even mentioning that you can simply by steel discs the size of the burner and use whatever kind of cooking vessel you like.
  - briandear 4y ago
    And when there is a power failure, what then? I live in hurricane country and being without power is a real concern. I happen to have a backup generator which runs on natural gas. But electrical outages are a real thing.
    - cecilpl2 4y ago
      I guess you use a BBQ or eat food that doesn't require cooking for a couple days? Power failure is very rare where I live so it didn't occur to me. I have never experienced a power outage for more than a few hours in my entire life.
    - fsociety 4y ago
      Ironically in today’s world betting on natural gas seems like a losing proposition. I’d feel more comfortable betting on access to electricity than I would betting on access to natural gases.
- chociej 4y ago
  Consumer Reports, for one, is happy to report that "No other cooking technology we’ve tested is faster than induction." I would think a lot of the advantages of induction are really obvious, so I don't think your statement that they are "inferior to gas in every way" is particularly in good faith. No gas in a building should be obviously advantageous. Reduced ability to cause burns or fires too. Reduction of use of a potent greenhouse gas.
  - briandear 4y ago
    Why can’t people have the choice for gas or induction? Why must government tell us what kind of stove to use? If reducing greenhouse gases from stoves matters to you, you can make the choice to do that.
    - danShumway 4y ago
      I think this mostly comes down to externalities. I somewhat doubt that consumer usage of gas stoves actually matters that much to emissions (though it might be important for getting rid of gas lines, possibly), but in the abstract people doing something with a negative universal externality isn't a purely private choice. It's a bit like saying, "if you care about the neighborhood being quieter, then you're free to turn off your own radio at night, but don't yell at me for blasting a boombox at 4AM, that's my choice". The greenhouse gases you let out don't stay on your property, they "trespass" onto everybody else's -- so it's more difficult for me to view pollution as a purely individual choice because air pollution is effectively dumping waste onto other people's land. Of course, sometimes there are ways we can influence outcomes without outright banning things. Maybe you're allowed to play your boombox at full volume at 4AM but have to pay an noise tax? Maybe we subsidize replacing your boombox with an iPod and some decent headphones? Policy is complicated. But even if you approach this from a pure Libertarian perspective, Libertarianism has a concept of conflicting rights and acknowledges that a recursive "right to infringe other people's rights" doesn't actually work and is reasonable in many situations to ban. I suspect that the pure Libertarian perspective would be that you can burn as much carbon as you like as long as those emissions stay entirely on your property and aren't being dumped into the collective atmosphere for everyone else to deal with.
throwaway4aday 4y ago
> are inferior to induction stoves in almost every way the one way in which they surpass induction stoves is the only thing that counts, instant control of the heat applied to the pan.
- hgomersall 4y ago
  Have you used induction? My experience is that it's much more responsive than gas.
  - throwaway4aday 4y ago
    Yes, it turns on quickly but it also has to vary on and off to maintain the temperature which leads to it either running too cool part of the time or too hot. Gas allows you to set the exact temp you need and it makes a smooth, quick transition and then maintains it perfectly.
    - olivermarks 4y ago
      My experience of induction stoves is that they are v expensive and have a very short lifespan. Induction heaters to release fasteners on cars are excellent though
    - ryukafalz 4y ago
      > Gas allows you to set the exact temp you need No gas stove I’ve used has had this functionality. They let you set the exact output you want, which is not the same (and induction cooktops can do that too). Yes, if you want to set a specific temperature induction cooktops will cycle, but you can also use them the same way you’d use a gas stove and then they don’t.
      - gkop 4y ago
        Would you spell it out for us? If induction cooktops are capable of continuous control of their output, why do they cycle significantly in set temp mode? At least, I would expect them to cycle minimally for fine tuning, relying on the continuous control of output as much as possible instead of cycling.
formerkrogemp 4y ago
> gas stoves vent toxic fumes into the house, run the risk of blowing your house up, and are inferior to induction stoves in almost every way. Funny story and rather infamously, the researchers who studied the fumes from gas stoves almost immediately ripped out their gas stoves after the results came back from the studies. Several states are passing or have passed copy-paste laws, written by gas companies, making ripping out gas stoves cost a fee even if the gas company isn't ripping out the gas stoves themselves.
carapace 4y ago
> singe the praises Ah, that's lovely. :) - - - - Also pilot lights: older gas ranges have tiny flames burning 24/7 just in case you want to cook something in the middle of the night. (Most newer models use electric sparks "on demand" to light.)
- zionic 4y ago
  Lol that was a typo but I’m keeping it!

by zionic 4y ago

AlgorithmicTime 4y ago

Induction stoves are seriously inferior to gas, in every way. They are slower to heat. They are more expensive to operate. They are more fragile. They rely on complex electronics vs. simple mechanics. They require specific cookware made out of only certain materials. They require direct contact with the "burner" to work. In what possible way are they superior?

cecilpl2 4y ago
They are faster to heat than gas since they can deliver all energy directly to the pan, whereas gas wastes ~75% of the energy heating the surrounding air. They boil water much faster than even an electric kettle for this reason. Pot handles don't get hot from the hot air going up the side. They are much easier to clean. Spills don't get burnt onto the cooktop. There's no risk of fire or burning oneself. No risk of a gas leak from bumping a knob. No harmful pollutants emitted by combusting fossil fuels in an interior space.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  That's not even mentioning that you can simply by steel discs the size of the burner and use whatever kind of cooking vessel you like.
- briandear 4y ago
  And when there is a power failure, what then? I live in hurricane country and being without power is a real concern. I happen to have a backup generator which runs on natural gas. But electrical outages are a real thing.
  - cecilpl2 4y ago
    I guess you use a BBQ or eat food that doesn't require cooking for a couple days? Power failure is very rare where I live so it didn't occur to me. I have never experienced a power outage for more than a few hours in my entire life.
  - fsociety 4y ago
    Ironically in today’s world betting on natural gas seems like a losing proposition. I’d feel more comfortable betting on access to electricity than I would betting on access to natural gases.
chociej 4y ago
Consumer Reports, for one, is happy to report that "No other cooking technology we’ve tested is faster than induction." I would think a lot of the advantages of induction are really obvious, so I don't think your statement that they are "inferior to gas in every way" is particularly in good faith. No gas in a building should be obviously advantageous. Reduced ability to cause burns or fires too. Reduction of use of a potent greenhouse gas.
- briandear 4y ago
  Why can’t people have the choice for gas or induction? Why must government tell us what kind of stove to use? If reducing greenhouse gases from stoves matters to you, you can make the choice to do that.
  - danShumway 4y ago
    I think this mostly comes down to externalities. I somewhat doubt that consumer usage of gas stoves actually matters that much to emissions (though it might be important for getting rid of gas lines, possibly), but in the abstract people doing something with a negative universal externality isn't a purely private choice. It's a bit like saying, "if you care about the neighborhood being quieter, then you're free to turn off your own radio at night, but don't yell at me for blasting a boombox at 4AM, that's my choice". The greenhouse gases you let out don't stay on your property, they "trespass" onto everybody else's -- so it's more difficult for me to view pollution as a purely individual choice because air pollution is effectively dumping waste onto other people's land. Of course, sometimes there are ways we can influence outcomes without outright banning things. Maybe you're allowed to play your boombox at full volume at 4AM but have to pay an noise tax? Maybe we subsidize replacing your boombox with an iPod and some decent headphones? Policy is complicated. But even if you approach this from a pure Libertarian perspective, Libertarianism has a concept of conflicting rights and acknowledges that a recursive "right to infringe other people's rights" doesn't actually work and is reasonable in many situations to ban. I suspect that the pure Libertarian perspective would be that you can burn as much carbon as you like as long as those emissions stay entirely on your property and aren't being dumped into the collective atmosphere for everyone else to deal with.

throwaway4aday 4y ago

> are inferior to induction stoves in almost every way the one way in which they surpass induction stoves is the only thing that counts, instant control of the heat applied to the pan.

hgomersall 4y ago
Have you used induction? My experience is that it's much more responsive than gas.
- throwaway4aday 4y ago
  Yes, it turns on quickly but it also has to vary on and off to maintain the temperature which leads to it either running too cool part of the time or too hot. Gas allows you to set the exact temp you need and it makes a smooth, quick transition and then maintains it perfectly.
  - olivermarks 4y ago
    My experience of induction stoves is that they are v expensive and have a very short lifespan. Induction heaters to release fasteners on cars are excellent though
  - ryukafalz 4y ago
    > Gas allows you to set the exact temp you need No gas stove I’ve used has had this functionality. They let you set the exact output you want, which is not the same (and induction cooktops can do that too). Yes, if you want to set a specific temperature induction cooktops will cycle, but you can also use them the same way you’d use a gas stove and then they don’t.
    - gkop 4y ago
      Would you spell it out for us? If induction cooktops are capable of continuous control of their output, why do they cycle significantly in set temp mode? At least, I would expect them to cycle minimally for fine tuning, relying on the continuous control of output as much as possible instead of cycling.

formerkrogemp 4y ago

> gas stoves vent toxic fumes into the house, run the risk of blowing your house up, and are inferior to induction stoves in almost every way. Funny story and rather infamously, the researchers who studied the fumes from gas stoves almost immediately ripped out their gas stoves after the results came back from the studies. Several states are passing or have passed copy-paste laws, written by gas companies, making ripping out gas stoves cost a fee even if the gas company isn't ripping out the gas stoves themselves.

carapace 4y ago

> singe the praises Ah, that's lovely. :) - - - - Also pilot lights: older gas ranges have tiny flames burning 24/7 just in case you want to cook something in the middle of the night. (Most newer models use electric sparks "on demand" to light.)

zionic 4y ago
Lol that was a typo but I’m keeping it!