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The divide here about Elon is much deeper than I anticipated. It’s crazy how one sided HN is. Seems entirely subjective and political. If one were to read the

The divide here about Elon is much deeper than I anticipated. It’s crazy how one sided HN is. Seems entirely subjective and political. If one were to read the comments here, the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan.

1270018080 4y ago
Is there a grand conspiracy plotting against him to discredit him? Or are his own actions doing the damage?
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  To me it seems like there are 3 things at play. 1) Political incongruency. 2) Character flaws. 3) Actions and actual impact. These 3 things mix together in a toxic cocktail of hate (or love) depending on which side of the table you’re on. The sides of the table are primarily determined by 1) and the 2) and 3) are glued together to fit the narrative. I am expecting more from HN tbh.
  - Tehchops 4y ago
    > I am expecting more from HN tbh. In a previous comment you(an HN user!) framed all comments or discussion that might portray EM in a negative light as painting him as: > "...the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan." A pitch-perfect example of a straw-man argument, and now you're claiming the level of discourse is not up to your standards?
    - systemvoltage 4y ago
      It was an intentional hyperbole to thrust a point across if you didn’t read between the lines. I thought it was obvious. I could improve in my message though. I do expect more from HN than vitriol of this sorts.
      - Karawebnetwork 4y ago
        It is strange to use charged words such as "crazy", "evil" and "satan" in a comment and then complain of vitriol on the forum.
        systemvoltage 4y ago
        I've been around here long enough to realize that when discussions are leaning one way, I become extremely skeptical of the situation. Not going to address your ad-hominem slant, but I hope you can empathize with where my skepticism comes from. This forum tends to usually have a great discussion between opposing viewpoints, except here.
        Tehchops 4y ago
        Where was the ad-hominem slant? More straw-men and an appeal to authority! I'm convinced you're playing logical fallacy bingo at this point.
Tehchops 4y ago
> the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan. Speaking of one sided... I'd argue there are many more nuanced conclusions you could derive. I'm sure there have been comments towards him that are ad-hominem accusations of "evil", but in general and this thread specifically I think it's his virtue signaling around "free-speech" and "innovation" rightfully being called out for what they are; self-serving and quite vanilla capitalist maneuvering. Setting up straw-man arguments like you've done is the same kind of defensive, fallacious reasoning his aforementioned zealous followers engage in. Like Rick & Morty and Jesus, the worst thing about Elon tends to be his fans.

1270018080 4y ago

Is there a grand conspiracy plotting against him to discredit him? Or are his own actions doing the damage?

systemvoltage 4y ago
To me it seems like there are 3 things at play. 1) Political incongruency. 2) Character flaws. 3) Actions and actual impact. These 3 things mix together in a toxic cocktail of hate (or love) depending on which side of the table you’re on. The sides of the table are primarily determined by 1) and the 2) and 3) are glued together to fit the narrative. I am expecting more from HN tbh.
- Tehchops 4y ago
  > I am expecting more from HN tbh. In a previous comment you(an HN user!) framed all comments or discussion that might portray EM in a negative light as painting him as: > "...the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan." A pitch-perfect example of a straw-man argument, and now you're claiming the level of discourse is not up to your standards?
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    It was an intentional hyperbole to thrust a point across if you didn’t read between the lines. I thought it was obvious. I could improve in my message though. I do expect more from HN than vitriol of this sorts.
    - Karawebnetwork 4y ago
      It is strange to use charged words such as "crazy", "evil" and "satan" in a comment and then complain of vitriol on the forum.
      - systemvoltage 4y ago
        I've been around here long enough to realize that when discussions are leaning one way, I become extremely skeptical of the situation. Not going to address your ad-hominem slant, but I hope you can empathize with where my skepticism comes from. This forum tends to usually have a great discussion between opposing viewpoints, except here.
        Tehchops 4y ago
        Where was the ad-hominem slant? More straw-men and an appeal to authority! I'm convinced you're playing logical fallacy bingo at this point.

Tehchops 4y ago

> the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan. Speaking of one sided... I'd argue there are many more nuanced conclusions you could derive. I'm sure there have been comments towards him that are ad-hominem accusations of "evil", but in general and this thread specifically I think it's his virtue signaling around "free-speech" and "innovation" rightfully being called out for what they are; self-serving and quite vanilla capitalist maneuvering. Setting up straw-man arguments like you've done is the same kind of defensive, fallacious reasoning his aforementioned zealous followers engage in. Like Rick & Morty and Jesus, the worst thing about Elon tends to be his fans.