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>Sorry to be this guy but that is not creativity. It’s using what already exists, not conjecturing something new. Such a cute point of view, completely wrong b

>Sorry to be this guy but that is not creativity. It’s using what already exists, not conjecturing something new. Such a cute point of view, completely wrong but cute. Please go find the original images of Kermit in Blade Runner and WallE that were just copied here. >For example, Copernicus conjecturing the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun. No machine learning model would have gotten there because it would have been trained on a bunch of data that said the Earth was the center of the universe. If the model were trained on actual observations of planetary trajectories it would trivially recreate keplers laws, newtons laws etc.

soperj 4y ago
>If the model were trained on actual observations of planetary trajectories it would trivially recreate keplers laws, newtons laws etc. Should be easy to prove.
- ben_w 4y ago
  Indeed: • https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31609839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31609839 • https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.10525.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.10525.pdf • https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.11481.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.11481.pdf
  - soperj 4y ago
    from your link: "Renner stresses that although the algorithm derived the formulae, a human eye is needed to interpret the equations and understand how they relate to the movement of planets around the Sun."
    - ben_w 4y ago
      Even if that had been the only example rather than just one among them, it would still demonstrate the claim that an AI can discover various laws of physics just from observing data.
tdehnel 4y ago
The smugness of your reply annoyed me. But I feel somewhat satisfied that you’re just misinterpreting what I said. I never said copying existing images, I said it’s using what already exists for inspiration. That is not the same as creativity. I want to see what Dall-E comes up with when you ask it to create something new. Maybe “a new type of animal” or “an apartment building made to withstand radiation”. Basically anything that it can’t use existing images and ideas to create. Hell, I’d like to see someone ask GPT-3 for a prompt that Dall-E would fail at and pit them against each other. The point is a human could come up with those trivially. I think this system would struggle. Because it’s not capable of creating anything new, only combining things that already exist.
- adamsmith143 4y ago
  >The point is a human could come up with those trivially. I think this system would struggle. Because it’s not capable of creating anything new, only combining things that already exist. This is the flaw in your thinking. Humans are doing the same thing, I don't know why some people think the brain is so magical. We live in a materialist reality and to think the brain is anything other than a complex computer is farcical.

soperj 4y ago

>If the model were trained on actual observations of planetary trajectories it would trivially recreate keplers laws, newtons laws etc. Should be easy to prove.

ben_w 4y ago
Indeed: • https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31609839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31609839 • https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.10525.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.10525.pdf • https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.11481.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1905.11481.pdf
- soperj 4y ago
  from your link: "Renner stresses that although the algorithm derived the formulae, a human eye is needed to interpret the equations and understand how they relate to the movement of planets around the Sun."
  - ben_w 4y ago
    Even if that had been the only example rather than just one among them, it would still demonstrate the claim that an AI can discover various laws of physics just from observing data.

tdehnel 4y ago

The smugness of your reply annoyed me. But I feel somewhat satisfied that you’re just misinterpreting what I said. I never said copying existing images, I said it’s using what already exists for inspiration. That is not the same as creativity. I want to see what Dall-E comes up with when you ask it to create something new. Maybe “a new type of animal” or “an apartment building made to withstand radiation”. Basically anything that it can’t use existing images and ideas to create. Hell, I’d like to see someone ask GPT-3 for a prompt that Dall-E would fail at and pit them against each other. The point is a human could come up with those trivially. I think this system would struggle. Because it’s not capable of creating anything new, only combining things that already exist.

adamsmith143 4y ago
>The point is a human could come up with those trivially. I think this system would struggle. Because it’s not capable of creating anything new, only combining things that already exist. This is the flaw in your thinking. Humans are doing the same thing, I don't know why some people think the brain is so magical. We live in a materialist reality and to think the brain is anything other than a complex computer is farcical.