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> I understand the desire of people to hate others just because others a richer... Is that the case, though. I for one don't care if Musk is the wealthiest pe

> I understand the desire of people to hate others just because others a richer... Is that the case, though. I for one don't care if Musk is the wealthiest person on Earth, or just some random middle class Joe. Fact is, he absolutely _loves_ to tout how much harder and longer he works than anyone else. That alone screams "bad leader" all around, and in my experience, anyone going public on matters like this, is overcompensating. > ... it’s not just Elon Musk that gets this. This is a very specific issue we are talking about. I cannot recall Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Larry Page... making public statements about how much more they work than their employees, or how lazy and entitled their employees are. So while other wealthy individuals may get some hate, it's certainly not because they very publicly insult their workers.

smaryjerry 4y ago
I don’t think Elon did public insult his workers, he said he doesn’t appreciate workers that don’t work, are they even workers at that point? It’s like if I said I hate when someone steals from me, does that mean I hate you? If so they you are probably a thief. I get you have an opinion of him and that’s fine but how nice and humble a leader is is only a minor factor. What you get when hyper focused on tiny, in my opinion insignificant details and not the big picture is a poor judgement. Forget all the improvements and leaps forward his companies have made because a few times he said good things about himself? Your going to tell me in an interview you have never boasted and pretend none of those leaders you mentioned have ever talked about hard much work it took to get where they are? In actuality those leaders have written entire books on how good of a leader they are and what it takes to be one. I’m still trying to figure out what has irked so many people that Elon did?
- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  This piece of yours is quite revealing. Essentially you have reduced the discussion to: 1. Musk didn't act like an asshole to his employees. 2. Even if he was an asshole to his employees, that is irrelevant. 3. Even if it was relevant, he is right about it, so it doesn't matter. 4. Even if he was wrong and an asshole, his supposed contributions are enough to forgive it. 5. In any case, _I_ would have behaved similarly about certain things (not true), so I'm a hypocrite I guess? Gotta say, my parents don't love me half as much as Elon's fanboys love him. Must be nice to be him.
  - smaryjerry 4y ago
    I see the opposite actually. Are you saying all of those arguments are incorrect without disputing them? All of the “even if..” stuff doesn’t that only make a stronger case? I wouldn’t call myself a fanboy but it seems like you may definitely be a hater, but why?
    - manuelabeledo 4y ago
      > I wouldn’t call myself a fanboy... Of course you wouldn't.
      - smaryjerry 4y ago
        Bo, when people act like idiots I like to call it out. But you haven’t explained to me why you dislike, hate, or even it seems dislike people who like him?

smaryjerry 4y ago

I don’t think Elon did public insult his workers, he said he doesn’t appreciate workers that don’t work, are they even workers at that point? It’s like if I said I hate when someone steals from me, does that mean I hate you? If so they you are probably a thief. I get you have an opinion of him and that’s fine but how nice and humble a leader is is only a minor factor. What you get when hyper focused on tiny, in my opinion insignificant details and not the big picture is a poor judgement. Forget all the improvements and leaps forward his companies have made because a few times he said good things about himself? Your going to tell me in an interview you have never boasted and pretend none of those leaders you mentioned have ever talked about hard much work it took to get where they are? In actuality those leaders have written entire books on how good of a leader they are and what it takes to be one. I’m still trying to figure out what has irked so many people that Elon did?

manuelabeledo 4y ago
This piece of yours is quite revealing. Essentially you have reduced the discussion to: 1. Musk didn't act like an asshole to his employees. 2. Even if he was an asshole to his employees, that is irrelevant. 3. Even if it was relevant, he is right about it, so it doesn't matter. 4. Even if he was wrong and an asshole, his supposed contributions are enough to forgive it. 5. In any case, _I_ would have behaved similarly about certain things (not true), so I'm a hypocrite I guess? Gotta say, my parents don't love me half as much as Elon's fanboys love him. Must be nice to be him.
- smaryjerry 4y ago
  I see the opposite actually. Are you saying all of those arguments are incorrect without disputing them? All of the “even if..” stuff doesn’t that only make a stronger case? I wouldn’t call myself a fanboy but it seems like you may definitely be a hater, but why?
  - manuelabeledo 4y ago
    > I wouldn’t call myself a fanboy... Of course you wouldn't.
    - smaryjerry 4y ago
      Bo, when people act like idiots I like to call it out. But you haven’t explained to me why you dislike, hate, or even it seems dislike people who like him?