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Despite the zealous beliefs of the visionary, thought-leader techbro space that Musk's every move was to drive civilization forward in some kind of libertarian,

Despite the zealous beliefs of the visionary, thought-leader techbro space that Musk's every move was to drive civilization forward in some kind of libertarian, technocrat utopia, it seems very clear at this point every one of these moves was absolutely a self-serving narrative shield around incredibly typical corporate/rich-person bad behavior. Oh but who could have seen this coming except oh wait everyone. The schadenfreude has been hilarious. Twitter has been blessedly devoid of the kind of chest-thumping he typically elicits and it has been glorious.

UmbertoNoEco 4y ago
This is of course, correct, but it is something not exclusive to Elon Musk, you just have to read the stream of accolades some of the darlings of this site receive here when they are just your run of the mill capitalists with all the usual interests and biases.
- ditonal 4y ago
  Yep. You’d think Patrick Collison of Stripe invented the internet based on the praise he receives here rather than the reality that he made a PayPal clone with some custom branding options. Brian Chesky directly ripped off a popular free product called CouchSurfing then said “ok same thing but I get to be a billionaire, local housing markets lose long term rentals in exchange for teenage keg parties, and I get to buy virtue signaling billboards all over SF cause I get to be rich AND morally superior.” Then after we lionize those guys we can make fun of the Musk fan club.
systemvoltage 4y ago
The divide here about Elon is much deeper than I anticipated. It’s crazy how one sided HN is. Seems entirely subjective and political. If one were to read the comments here, the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan.
- 1270018080 4y ago
  Is there a grand conspiracy plotting against him to discredit him? Or are his own actions doing the damage?
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    To me it seems like there are 3 things at play. 1) Political incongruency. 2) Character flaws. 3) Actions and actual impact. These 3 things mix together in a toxic cocktail of hate (or love) depending on which side of the table you’re on. The sides of the table are primarily determined by 1) and the 2) and 3) are glued together to fit the narrative. I am expecting more from HN tbh.
    - Tehchops 4y ago
      > I am expecting more from HN tbh. In a previous comment you(an HN user!) framed all comments or discussion that might portray EM in a negative light as painting him as: > "...the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan." A pitch-perfect example of a straw-man argument, and now you're claiming the level of discourse is not up to your standards?
      - systemvoltage 4y ago
        It was an intentional hyperbole to thrust a point across if you didn’t read between the lines. I thought it was obvious. I could improve in my message though. I do expect more from HN than vitriol of this sorts.
        Karawebnetwork 4y ago
        It is strange to use charged words such as "crazy", "evil" and "satan" in a comment and then complain of vitriol on the forum.
        systemvoltage 4y ago

UmbertoNoEco 4y ago

This is of course, correct, but it is something not exclusive to Elon Musk, you just have to read the stream of accolades some of the darlings of this site receive here when they are just your run of the mill capitalists with all the usual interests and biases.

ditonal 4y ago
Yep. You’d think Patrick Collison of Stripe invented the internet based on the praise he receives here rather than the reality that he made a PayPal clone with some custom branding options. Brian Chesky directly ripped off a popular free product called CouchSurfing then said “ok same thing but I get to be a billionaire, local housing markets lose long term rentals in exchange for teenage keg parties, and I get to buy virtue signaling billboards all over SF cause I get to be rich AND morally superior.” Then after we lionize those guys we can make fun of the Musk fan club.

systemvoltage 4y ago

The divide here about Elon is much deeper than I anticipated. It’s crazy how one sided HN is. Seems entirely subjective and political. If one were to read the comments here, the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan.

1270018080 4y ago
Is there a grand conspiracy plotting against him to discredit him? Or are his own actions doing the damage?
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  To me it seems like there are 3 things at play. 1) Political incongruency. 2) Character flaws. 3) Actions and actual impact. These 3 things mix together in a toxic cocktail of hate (or love) depending on which side of the table you’re on. The sides of the table are primarily determined by 1) and the 2) and 3) are glued together to fit the narrative. I am expecting more from HN tbh.
  - Tehchops 4y ago
    > I am expecting more from HN tbh. In a previous comment you(an HN user!) framed all comments or discussion that might portray EM in a negative light as painting him as: > "...the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan." A pitch-perfect example of a straw-man argument, and now you're claiming the level of discourse is not up to your standards?
    - systemvoltage 4y ago
      It was an intentional hyperbole to thrust a point across if you didn’t read between the lines. I thought it was obvious. I could improve in my message though. I do expect more from HN than vitriol of this sorts.
      - Karawebnetwork 4y ago
        It is strange to use charged words such as "crazy", "evil" and "satan" in a comment and then complain of vitriol on the forum.
        systemvoltage 4y ago