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this is a hard decision that everyone, including upper management I call bullshit on the inclusion of "upper management". To think upper management cares about

by akudha 4y ago

this is a hard decision that everyone, including upper management I call bullshit on the inclusion of "upper management". To think upper management cares about anything other than short term profits (and their own bonuses) is just naive. When COVID hit, the company I worked for laid off 40 people (we were just a couple of hundred employees in total). You know how they laid them off? One morning they simply asked the sysadmin to turn off their logins. It is not a "hard decision" - to them, it is just like throwing away a chair or a table. Remember that dude who laid off 900 something people on a zoom call and shit talking them later? You mentioned morale, what do you think happens the morale of the people who found half of their (small) team laid off with zero warning, like it happened to my team? There may be exceptions of course, but it is safe to say most companies don't give a shit about their employees, even their star employees. I am not complaining about layoffs here (though the way they do it is cruel). Just pointing out that companies are not as heartbroken about it as you seem to think. It is just business

mjr00 4y ago
I'm not going to pretend that layoffs are harder on upper management than employees or anything. Getting laid off sucks ass and there's no sugarcoating it. But thinking that being a C-level automatically means you're a Patrick Bateman style sociopath treating people like furniture is an immature take, especially for a forum like this, where so many people are entrepreneurs and upper management themselves. They're still people.
- candiddevmike 4y ago
  You don't see those folks taking a paycut to keep the furniture around though.
- rchaud 4y ago
  If you're at C-level at a company of Tesla's size, you are still a person, just compensated as though you were 50 persons. That is going to change how you're perceived, like it or not. Everyone is judged on the basis of their actions, not their words. When you're a CEO managing 10 people, you feel the weight of every firing. When you can tell your lieutenants "slash headcount by 10%", you don't feel the weight as much. It's the difference between hand-to-hand combat and firing a drone missile from a command center thousands of miles away.

by akudha 4y ago

mjr00 4y ago

I'm not going to pretend that layoffs are harder on upper management than employees or anything. Getting laid off sucks ass and there's no sugarcoating it. But thinking that being a C-level automatically means you're a Patrick Bateman style sociopath treating people like furniture is an immature take, especially for a forum like this, where so many people are entrepreneurs and upper management themselves. They're still people.

candiddevmike 4y ago
You don't see those folks taking a paycut to keep the furniture around though.
rchaud 4y ago
If you're at C-level at a company of Tesla's size, you are still a person, just compensated as though you were 50 persons. That is going to change how you're perceived, like it or not. Everyone is judged on the basis of their actions, not their words. When you're a CEO managing 10 people, you feel the weight of every firing. When you can tell your lieutenants "slash headcount by 10%", you don't feel the weight as much. It's the difference between hand-to-hand combat and firing a drone missile from a command center thousands of miles away.