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> erratic decision making from Mr Musk I'd be the last person to defend Elon Musk, I don't know the guy, but just want to point out that when you're at his lev

> erratic decision making from Mr Musk I'd be the last person to defend Elon Musk, I don't know the guy, but just want to point out that when you're at his level of wealth and power you also have very wealthy, powerful enemies. I see ongoing, what appears to be coordinated, attempts in the mainstream/social media to paint him as crazy. I have no special access to the truth but I'd be unsurprised if those stories are 100% politically motivated and have no basis in reality.

mbesto 4y ago
> I see an ongoing, what appears to be coordinated, attempts in the mainstream/social media to paint him as crazy. The parent never used the word crazy, you did. His behavior is erratic. I don't know how that's not obvious to anyone watching him. Does it make him crazy? I don't know, but he is most certainly erratic.
- infamouscow 4y ago
  So he should be condemned because he behaves differently than you? As a reminder, this kind of thinking lead to the worst atrocities of 20th century history.
  - mempko 4y ago
    The people who committed those atrocities were erratic.
  - l33t2328 4y ago
    Comparing people critical of Elon’s erratic behavior to Nazis is pushing things a little too far, don’t you agree?
    - infamouscow 4y ago
      When people find it acceptable to make ad hominem attacks of a person or group instead of arguing the point, history has shown evil rises and takes power. Elon has Asperger's syndrome. So no, it's not "pushing things a little to far" if you read up on what the Nazi's did to children diagnosed with the syndrome.
      - l33t2328 4y ago
        The point is that he is erratic. We’re not arguing against some point Musk made, we’re arguing against his fit for his role, and his erratic behavior is absolutely a factor to consider, and in particular it is not an “ad hominem.” It is absolutely pushing things a little too far to make the jump from “this person is behaving erratically” to anything resembling what the Nazis did to children with Aspergers. It’s incredible you can legitimately think it’s comparable.
      - mbesto 4y ago
        > When people find it acceptable to make ad hominem attacks of a person or group instead of arguing the point We were literally talking about his character - that was the argument and the point and nothing else.
ProjectArcturis 4y ago
He's sure doing his best to let them paint him that way.
photochemsyn 4y ago
From a strictly economic viewpoint, Tesla has made major inroads that threaten sales from other automakers (Ford, GM, Toyota) who were behind the curve on electric vehicles. Long-term mass adoption of electric vehicles threatens the profitability of the entire oil refinery sector. Similarly, SpaceX has made major inroads against other government contractors for the space delivery sector. So it's pretty clear why these interests would want to badmouth Musk, but this doesn't really change the viability of the fundamental business models of Tesla and SpaceX. Basically, this is an industrialist model, not a financialist model, and that's the opposite of what the likes of Warren Buffett have been into. Industrialist models are really what the USA needs, the whole neoliberal financialization game has been a disaster for most of the country.
sureglymop 4y ago
In the same vein, when you have that much money and power you can simply buy/create your image. There is a lot to criticize about Elon Musk but he's too influential for any of that criticism to reach the majority. When you're that wealthy you can also circumvent the law. During the pandemic, Tesla "threatened" to move from California to another state if they wouldn't be allowed to reopen their factories. This caused the state of California to basically make an exception for them... so they circumvented the law which other smaller companies could not do. Personally i can't understand the obsession with someone like Elon Musk or even someone like Bill Gates... It's easy to control your image when you're a billionaire, so you don't actually have to behave and live ethically.
99_00 4y ago
It's amazing to see the regime's golden boy turn into it's black sheep. You realize that much of our opinions aren't from critical think but are simply assigned to us by elites.
- rchaud 4y ago
  > but are simply assigned to us by elites. Do Musk's own tweets fall into this category?
  - 99_00 4y ago
    Yes, of course. There are many people who will simply adopt another high profile person's opinion as their own. Entire industries are built on it. Musk is certainly an elite. The elite that I had in mind, however, were the establishment elite.

mbesto 4y ago

> I see an ongoing, what appears to be coordinated, attempts in the mainstream/social media to paint him as crazy. The parent never used the word crazy, you did. His behavior is erratic. I don't know how that's not obvious to anyone watching him. Does it make him crazy? I don't know, but he is most certainly erratic.

infamouscow 4y ago
So he should be condemned because he behaves differently than you? As a reminder, this kind of thinking lead to the worst atrocities of 20th century history.
- mempko 4y ago
  The people who committed those atrocities were erratic.
- l33t2328 4y ago
  Comparing people critical of Elon’s erratic behavior to Nazis is pushing things a little too far, don’t you agree?
  - infamouscow 4y ago
    When people find it acceptable to make ad hominem attacks of a person or group instead of arguing the point, history has shown evil rises and takes power. Elon has Asperger's syndrome. So no, it's not "pushing things a little to far" if you read up on what the Nazi's did to children diagnosed with the syndrome.
    - l33t2328 4y ago
      The point is that he is erratic. We’re not arguing against some point Musk made, we’re arguing against his fit for his role, and his erratic behavior is absolutely a factor to consider, and in particular it is not an “ad hominem.” It is absolutely pushing things a little too far to make the jump from “this person is behaving erratically” to anything resembling what the Nazis did to children with Aspergers. It’s incredible you can legitimately think it’s comparable.
    - mbesto 4y ago
      > When people find it acceptable to make ad hominem attacks of a person or group instead of arguing the point We were literally talking about his character - that was the argument and the point and nothing else.

ProjectArcturis 4y ago

He's sure doing his best to let them paint him that way.

photochemsyn 4y ago

From a strictly economic viewpoint, Tesla has made major inroads that threaten sales from other automakers (Ford, GM, Toyota) who were behind the curve on electric vehicles. Long-term mass adoption of electric vehicles threatens the profitability of the entire oil refinery sector. Similarly, SpaceX has made major inroads against other government contractors for the space delivery sector. So it's pretty clear why these interests would want to badmouth Musk, but this doesn't really change the viability of the fundamental business models of Tesla and SpaceX. Basically, this is an industrialist model, not a financialist model, and that's the opposite of what the likes of Warren Buffett have been into. Industrialist models are really what the USA needs, the whole neoliberal financialization game has been a disaster for most of the country.

sureglymop 4y ago

In the same vein, when you have that much money and power you can simply buy/create your image. There is a lot to criticize about Elon Musk but he's too influential for any of that criticism to reach the majority. When you're that wealthy you can also circumvent the law. During the pandemic, Tesla "threatened" to move from California to another state if they wouldn't be allowed to reopen their factories. This caused the state of California to basically make an exception for them... so they circumvented the law which other smaller companies could not do. Personally i can't understand the obsession with someone like Elon Musk or even someone like Bill Gates... It's easy to control your image when you're a billionaire, so you don't actually have to behave and live ethically.

99_00 4y ago

It's amazing to see the regime's golden boy turn into it's black sheep. You realize that much of our opinions aren't from critical think but are simply assigned to us by elites.

rchaud 4y ago
> but are simply assigned to us by elites. Do Musk's own tweets fall into this category?
- 99_00 4y ago
  Yes, of course. There are many people who will simply adopt another high profile person's opinion as their own. Entire industries are built on it. Musk is certainly an elite. The elite that I had in mind, however, were the establishment elite.