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> I expected a much less savvy and less logical group of people Why did you expect this?

mschuster91 4y ago
Given a random selection of 12 people on the street, one might reasonably expect that their educational background may be... less than optimal. For Germany for example, a quarter of the population only has the utter basic level of education [1]. [1] https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/197269/umfrage/allgemeiner-bildungsstand-der-bevoelkerung-in-deutschland-nach-dem-alter/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/197269/umfrag...
- refurb 4y ago
  Education =\= intelligence
op00to 4y ago
#1. The people st jury duty either want to be there or are too stupid to get out of it. #2. I interact with the public from time to time. As a rule people can not understand compound sentences let alone be able to string enough facts together in their head to be effective on a jury.
- refurb 4y ago
  My experience with #1 was it actually really hard to get out of jury duty. The lawyers and judge have seen all the tricks. The people who were able to get rejected had to hold pretty extreme opinions and hold to them under a lot of questioning. I saw many people break and admit they could be impartial.
refurb 4y ago
Because a lot of legal concepts aren’t that intuitive. And people are often emotional in their decisions particular when it comes to violent crime. And not to say those didn’t exist in my jury experience, but usually some juror stated their opinion and moved the thinking forward.
dkarl 4y ago
I would expect people like the people I went to high school with, since that was a pretty random selection of society. That would not be a group where you could describe an abstract concept like the criteria for applying a law and expect them to get it the first time. More likely you'd explain it many times from many different angles over a couple of weeks and then give them a test and they still wouldn't get any part of it entirely correct. And that's on average; you also have the low end of the range, people who managed to put the right words in the right boxes to pass world history but came away not sure if there's an ocean between France and Germany or not. And then at the very bottom there were the ones who couldn't pass high school classes at all....

Given a random selection of 12 people on the street, one might reasonably expect that their educational background may be... less than optimal. For Germany for example, a quarter of the population only has the utter basic level of education [1]. [1] https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/197269/umfrage/allgemeiner-bildungsstand-der-bevoelkerung-in-deutschland-nach-dem-alter/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/197269/umfrag...

refurb 4y ago
Education =\= intelligence

op00to 4y ago

#1. The people st jury duty either want to be there or are too stupid to get out of it. #2. I interact with the public from time to time. As a rule people can not understand compound sentences let alone be able to string enough facts together in their head to be effective on a jury.

refurb 4y ago
My experience with #1 was it actually really hard to get out of jury duty. The lawyers and judge have seen all the tricks. The people who were able to get rejected had to hold pretty extreme opinions and hold to them under a lot of questioning. I saw many people break and admit they could be impartial.

refurb 4y ago

Because a lot of legal concepts aren’t that intuitive. And people are often emotional in their decisions particular when it comes to violent crime. And not to say those didn’t exist in my jury experience, but usually some juror stated their opinion and moved the thinking forward.

dkarl 4y ago

I would expect people like the people I went to high school with, since that was a pretty random selection of society. That would not be a group where you could describe an abstract concept like the criteria for applying a law and expect them to get it the first time. More likely you'd explain it many times from many different angles over a couple of weeks and then give them a test and they still wouldn't get any part of it entirely correct. And that's on average; you also have the low end of the range, people who managed to put the right words in the right boxes to pass world history but came away not sure if there's an ocean between France and Germany or not. And then at the very bottom there were the ones who couldn't pass high school classes at all....