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>>> So many prefer black jobs and subsides Spaniard here. This has been the norm for decades in some parts of the country (p.e. South and the PER subside). I a

by fasteo 4y ago

>>> So many prefer black jobs and subsides Spaniard here. This has been the norm for decades in some parts of the country (p.e. South and the PER subside). I am Andalusian; don't beat me up with the PER thing. I know what I am talking about. So, not sure if that's the reason for this huge 2.6M numbers in Italy.

kkfx 4y ago
Since subsides in Italy are a relatively new addition I suppose that they might have a role but not being the cause themselves. Since I have memory in Italy was and is the norm offering various kind of mixed legal and illegal work like "you formally work for two hours but in practice their are 8" or "dear customer if you want an invoice the price is 30+% more than without, choose as you wish". That's happen regardless of quality of life and economical momentum, from a rich dentist owner of many cabinets to a poor "I do anything small" worker, from rich to poor areas of the country etc. Since taxes was and are NEVER fair, never used to keep the society egalitarian, avoiding too much difference between rich and poor most people see the State as an enemy, civil servant as thief, preferring to cultivate a personal garden than a whole common one. For all political opinions. In the end if for instance a plumber do a bad job obtaining justice in court is somewhat possible but only after MANY years and only for far less than the real damage and only if in the meantime the bad enterprise have not change enough names to being a different legal entity and have economical capacity to pay the damage, .......... so most prefer surveil and ignore legal protection at a whole. Such behavior let many at all level committing various crimes including some at State level passing reforms against people/national interests with excuses while most simply ignore them. In the VERY recent past Italy was a significant industrial power, self-demolished with the UK and USA help and local corruption, nowadays most young want to emigrate, and the once-almost-public big industrial system is teared apart. Qualified workers goes elsewhere, entrepreneurs of technical value works most with foreign third parties and private equity demolish the economical humus still there. It's not just Italy IMVHO but a global neoliberal phenomenon in a transition from industry to pure finance in the blind and criminal illusion that finance can rule nature, so far only (re)emerging global power (Russia and China) seems to have a bit of classic development behind to back their growth up. Unfortunately they are not exactly Democracies. Unfortunately people here allow local élites to copy JUST the non-democratic aspects of such emerging power like the actual neoliberal push toward a western-Chinese-alike society witch is itself as "socialist" as original nazi economy... In the end, just see the source: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/trump-fdr-roosevelt-coup-attempt-1930s https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/trump-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/nazis-based-their-elite-schools-on-top-british-private-schools https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/nazis-based-th... https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=carr&book=pawns&story=american https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=car... (see especially at the bottom of the page) the classic two horse strategy that apparently works well all the time...

by fasteo 4y ago

kkfx 4y ago

Since subsides in Italy are a relatively new addition I suppose that they might have a role but not being the cause themselves. Since I have memory in Italy was and is the norm offering various kind of mixed legal and illegal work like "you formally work for two hours but in practice their are 8" or "dear customer if you want an invoice the price is 30+% more than without, choose as you wish". That's happen regardless of quality of life and economical momentum, from a rich dentist owner of many cabinets to a poor "I do anything small" worker, from rich to poor areas of the country etc. Since taxes was and are NEVER fair, never used to keep the society egalitarian, avoiding too much difference between rich and poor most people see the State as an enemy, civil servant as thief, preferring to cultivate a personal garden than a whole common one. For all political opinions. In the end if for instance a plumber do a bad job obtaining justice in court is somewhat possible but only after MANY years and only for far less than the real damage and only if in the meantime the bad enterprise have not change enough names to being a different legal entity and have economical capacity to pay the damage, .......... so most prefer surveil and ignore legal protection at a whole. Such behavior let many at all level committing various crimes including some at State level passing reforms against people/national interests with excuses while most simply ignore them. In the VERY recent past Italy was a significant industrial power, self-demolished with the UK and USA help and local corruption, nowadays most young want to emigrate, and the once-almost-public big industrial system is teared apart. Qualified workers goes elsewhere, entrepreneurs of technical value works most with foreign third parties and private equity demolish the economical humus still there. It's not just Italy IMVHO but a global neoliberal phenomenon in a transition from industry to pure finance in the blind and criminal illusion that finance can rule nature, so far only (re)emerging global power (Russia and China) seems to have a bit of classic development behind to back their growth up. Unfortunately they are not exactly Democracies. Unfortunately people here allow local élites to copy JUST the non-democratic aspects of such emerging power like the actual neoliberal push toward a western-Chinese-alike society witch is itself as "socialist" as original nazi economy... In the end, just see the source: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/trump-fdr-roosevelt-coup-attempt-1930s https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/trump-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/nazis-based-their-elite-schools-on-top-british-private-schools https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/nazis-based-th... https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=carr&book=pawns&story=american https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=car... (see especially at the bottom of the page) the classic two horse strategy that apparently works well all the time...