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>> educate the consumers Every dealership I've been to has been more interested in feeding me whatever line of crap they think will get me to buy a car, not ac

>> educate the consumers Every dealership I've been to has been more interested in feeding me whatever line of crap they think will get me to buy a car, not actually educating me about the different products available. >> financing, DMV paperwork Tesla and Carvana have proven these can be taken care of without a third party dealership. In most cases, financing is provided by a bank or credit union, not the dealership itself >> and most importantly service your vehicles Unless the fix is covered by warranty, I'm not taking my car anywhere near a dealership. They charge considerably more money than my trusted mechanic. My Hyundai dealership wanted $125 just for an oil change on a 2013 Sonata. In theory, a dealership could be good for all of these things. In practice though, they suck. There is a reason most people hate car dealerships.

ssharp 4y ago
I had a dealership quote me $2600 for a required service package. The price of the parts was $400. It’s a bit of work but the labor was effectively over $366 per hour. I could have had the job done by an independent shop for $1000. When I pushed back, the service manager said he could do it for $1500. I have a recall repair on the car as well so I think my final move is to use that as leverage to push the price down further. Getting the repair done by the dealer gets you a warranty by the manufacturer, which is the only additional value that I see.
- itsoktocry 4y ago
  >I had a dealership quote me $2600 for a required service package. I don't get it. "Required" by whom? Just say no, negotiate a better price, or take the car elsewhere. >Getting the repair done by the dealer gets you a warranty by the manufacturer, which is the only additional value that I see. No, the warranty exists regardless of where the car is serviced.
  - ssharp 4y ago
    It's routine maintenance. My car is required to have its timing belt replaced by 100,000 miles. If the dealer does the work, the manufacturer provides a warranty on the parts. Since a broken belt could destroy the engine, this is a replacement that should be done and it's nice to have the warranty.
  - tmh88j 4y ago
    > No, the warranty exists regardless of where the car is serviced. I'm not sure if that's true for Ford, but this is in the owner's manual for the Nissan GT-R. > OBTAINING WARRANTY SERVICE > You must take the vehicle to an authorized Nissan GT-R Certified dealer in the United States or Canada during regular business hours at your expense in order to obtain warranty service. > WHAT IS NOT COVERED > Repairs performed by anyone other than a Nissan GT-R certified dealer. See the section titled "OBTAINING WARRANTY SERVICE" on page 11 and "GENERAL EXCLUSIONS" on page 12. https://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam/Nissan/us/manuals-and-guides/gtr/2019/2019-Nissan-GTR-warranty-booklet.pdf https://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam/Nissan/us/manuals-and-...
    - 0xffff2 4y ago
      > WHAT IS NOT COVERED > Repairs performed by anyone other than a Nissan GT-R certified dealer. IANAL, but I don't think that clause is legal in the US. Any equipment originally covered by a warranty and still within the time/mileage limits of the warranty must still be covered unless Nissan can prove that the work done by an outside tech was the cause of failure.
      - tmh88j 4y ago
        They certainly try to enforce it via bureaucracy. My local Nissan dealer wouldn't even do an oil change on mine because they're not a GT-R certified dealer.
TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
> There is a reason most people hate car dealerships. I really, really don't understand why the model won't die. I'm guessing regulatory malfeasance.
- Volundr 4y ago
  You guessed correctly. Thanks to aggressive lobbying direct sales is illegal in most states.
  - WorldMaker 4y ago
    Direct sales were forbidden as a consumer protection back when dealerships were disconnected franchises with no licensing or direct relationship with the car manufacturers. To eliminate unscrupulous dealerships but protect the ones that were doing useful services the regulations made a compromise that eliminated direct sales. It may be aggressive lobbying that keeps this status quo long past the original intent, but the original compromise came from a good place (eliminating "lemon dealers" and "lemon manufacturers" that refused to provide service/support/recalls).
itsoktocry 4y ago
>Carvana have proven these can be taken care of without a third party dealership. Ah yes, Carvana, the company who has had its dealer license revoked in multiple States for a variety of violations, whose stock is down 90% (while insiders cashed out) and laid off thousands of people. What have they "proven"?

ssharp 4y ago

I had a dealership quote me $2600 for a required service package. The price of the parts was $400. It’s a bit of work but the labor was effectively over $366 per hour. I could have had the job done by an independent shop for $1000. When I pushed back, the service manager said he could do it for $1500. I have a recall repair on the car as well so I think my final move is to use that as leverage to push the price down further. Getting the repair done by the dealer gets you a warranty by the manufacturer, which is the only additional value that I see.

itsoktocry 4y ago
>I had a dealership quote me $2600 for a required service package. I don't get it. "Required" by whom? Just say no, negotiate a better price, or take the car elsewhere. >Getting the repair done by the dealer gets you a warranty by the manufacturer, which is the only additional value that I see. No, the warranty exists regardless of where the car is serviced.
- ssharp 4y ago
  It's routine maintenance. My car is required to have its timing belt replaced by 100,000 miles. If the dealer does the work, the manufacturer provides a warranty on the parts. Since a broken belt could destroy the engine, this is a replacement that should be done and it's nice to have the warranty.
- tmh88j 4y ago
  > No, the warranty exists regardless of where the car is serviced. I'm not sure if that's true for Ford, but this is in the owner's manual for the Nissan GT-R. > OBTAINING WARRANTY SERVICE > You must take the vehicle to an authorized Nissan GT-R Certified dealer in the United States or Canada during regular business hours at your expense in order to obtain warranty service. > WHAT IS NOT COVERED > Repairs performed by anyone other than a Nissan GT-R certified dealer. See the section titled "OBTAINING WARRANTY SERVICE" on page 11 and "GENERAL EXCLUSIONS" on page 12. https://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam/Nissan/us/manuals-and-guides/gtr/2019/2019-Nissan-GTR-warranty-booklet.pdf https://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam/Nissan/us/manuals-and-...
  - 0xffff2 4y ago
    > WHAT IS NOT COVERED > Repairs performed by anyone other than a Nissan GT-R certified dealer. IANAL, but I don't think that clause is legal in the US. Any equipment originally covered by a warranty and still within the time/mileage limits of the warranty must still be covered unless Nissan can prove that the work done by an outside tech was the cause of failure.
    - tmh88j 4y ago
      They certainly try to enforce it via bureaucracy. My local Nissan dealer wouldn't even do an oil change on mine because they're not a GT-R certified dealer.

TheRealDunkirk 4y ago

> There is a reason most people hate car dealerships. I really, really don't understand why the model won't die. I'm guessing regulatory malfeasance.

Volundr 4y ago
You guessed correctly. Thanks to aggressive lobbying direct sales is illegal in most states.
- WorldMaker 4y ago
  Direct sales were forbidden as a consumer protection back when dealerships were disconnected franchises with no licensing or direct relationship with the car manufacturers. To eliminate unscrupulous dealerships but protect the ones that were doing useful services the regulations made a compromise that eliminated direct sales. It may be aggressive lobbying that keeps this status quo long past the original intent, but the original compromise came from a good place (eliminating "lemon dealers" and "lemon manufacturers" that refused to provide service/support/recalls).

itsoktocry 4y ago

>Carvana have proven these can be taken care of without a third party dealership. Ah yes, Carvana, the company who has had its dealer license revoked in multiple States for a variety of violations, whose stock is down 90% (while insiders cashed out) and laid off thousands of people. What have they "proven"?