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I'd be a lot happier if he was calling for the revocation of NAFTA but that would mean a lot of US manufacturers that have outsourced to Mexico would be faced w

I'd be a lot happier if he was calling for the revocation of NAFTA but that would mean a lot of US manufacturers that have outsourced to Mexico would be faced with the quandry of whether or not to move production back to the USA or to accept high cross-border transit fees imposed by Mexico (which is probably what a Mexican exit from NAFTA would entail). Then there's the sheer volume in trade of Mexico's agriculture and fossil fuel sectors across the border, most of which takes place under some provision of NAFTA or other. I recall hearing claims that crude oil is shipped to Mexico at present (under the 2015 revocation of the 1970s-era ban on crude oil exports from the USA, which may be playing a partial role in current high gas prices). However, I've also hear refined products are shipped back to the USA from Mexico, not sure about that. Probably just political posturing.

refurb 4y ago
NAFTA was replaced in 2020. "In September 2018, the United States, Mexico, and Canada reached an agreement to replace NAFTA with the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement (USMCA), and all three countries had ratified it by March 2020."
- bawolff 4y ago
  But ultimately it was mostly just a name change to help trump's ego. The actual agreement is mostly the same, and people mostly still informally refer to it as NAFTA
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
NAFTA is a weird political thing, it has some parallels with the EU. Seems like everyone hates it, in a vague and confusing sort of way, because if they started getting factual or specific the cognitive dissonance might kill them. If you want to force American corporations to fund a better life for American working class people that's a great and noble goal. Weird that it only seems popular in some places if you can wrap it up with xenophobia somehow, which then prevents you voting for the people who agree with your goals.
- qiskit 4y ago
  > NAFTA is a weird political thing, it has some parallels with the EU. Nothing weird about it and it's nothing like the EU. > Seems like everyone hates it, in a vague and confusing sort of way, No. It's rather specific. It's shifting manufacturing to cheaper locations and costing america jobs and industry. > Weird that it only seems popular in some places if you can wrap it up with xenophobia somehow, which then prevents you voting for the people who agree with your goals. It's popular everywhere there are sensible people. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of sensible people and capital will always win against labor and the people.

refurb 4y ago

NAFTA was replaced in 2020. "In September 2018, the United States, Mexico, and Canada reached an agreement to replace NAFTA with the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement (USMCA), and all three countries had ratified it by March 2020."

bawolff 4y ago
But ultimately it was mostly just a name change to help trump's ego. The actual agreement is mostly the same, and people mostly still informally refer to it as NAFTA

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

NAFTA is a weird political thing, it has some parallels with the EU. Seems like everyone hates it, in a vague and confusing sort of way, because if they started getting factual or specific the cognitive dissonance might kill them. If you want to force American corporations to fund a better life for American working class people that's a great and noble goal. Weird that it only seems popular in some places if you can wrap it up with xenophobia somehow, which then prevents you voting for the people who agree with your goals.

qiskit 4y ago
> NAFTA is a weird political thing, it has some parallels with the EU. Nothing weird about it and it's nothing like the EU. > Seems like everyone hates it, in a vague and confusing sort of way, No. It's rather specific. It's shifting manufacturing to cheaper locations and costing america jobs and industry. > Weird that it only seems popular in some places if you can wrap it up with xenophobia somehow, which then prevents you voting for the people who agree with your goals. It's popular everywhere there are sensible people. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot of sensible people and capital will always win against labor and the people.