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> dealership interests aren’t aligned with EV manufacturers. There’s very little service revenue Citation needed. Both my EVs and ICEs needed similar amount of

> dealership interests aren’t aligned with EV manufacturers. There’s very little service revenue Citation needed. Both my EVs and ICEs needed similar amount of service. Breakage of drive trains are super rare nowadays (expect for over engineered performance stuff and just broken designs), same as breakages of batteries (cough, Bolt, cough). All stuff my cars needed a service for in last 20 years were comfort features, gizmos, internal materials, electrical goblins, etc. Both ICEs and EVs.

VirusNewbie 4y ago
Your ICE doesn't need oil changes, transmission fluid, a timing belt, spark plugs, or any of that?
- justapassenger 4y ago
  Oil change is maintenance not service. But ok, let’s include that. It’s done at the same time as rotating tires, so it only adds few extra bucks of revenue for dealers (yes, you can rotate yourself/at other places, same as you can do oil change). Transmission fluid for modern cars lasts about 100k miles. So you’ll do it maybe once, unlikely at your dealer as you won’t pay dealer tax for an old beater. Exactly the same for timing belt and spark plugs. Drive trains aren’t money makers for dealers for a long time.
  - thaeli 4y ago
    Timing belt is the only expensive thing on that list (because of labor) and very few American market vehicles use timing belts anymore. The market has gone almost entirely to timing chains these days.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      We’re back to timing chains? I remember we used to have them back in the old days.
toomuchtodo 4y ago
> Citation needed. https://www.motortrend.com/news/government-ev-ice-maintenance-cost-comparison/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/government-ev-ice-maintenanc... https://www.consumerreports.org/car-repair-maintenance/pay-less-for-vehicle-maintenance-with-an-ev/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-repair-maintenance/pay-l... https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1190-june-14-2021-battery-electric-vehicles-have-lower-scheduled https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1190-june... https://insideevs.com/news/527165/study-evs-ownership-40percent-lower/ https://insideevs.com/news/527165/study-evs-ownership-40perc... https://publications.anl.gov/anlpubs/2021/05/167399.pdf https://publications.anl.gov/anlpubs/2021/05/167399.pdf
- miohtama 4y ago
  These are very high quality sources, thank you. The best citation on this site.

VirusNewbie 4y ago

Your ICE doesn't need oil changes, transmission fluid, a timing belt, spark plugs, or any of that?

justapassenger 4y ago
Oil change is maintenance not service. But ok, let’s include that. It’s done at the same time as rotating tires, so it only adds few extra bucks of revenue for dealers (yes, you can rotate yourself/at other places, same as you can do oil change). Transmission fluid for modern cars lasts about 100k miles. So you’ll do it maybe once, unlikely at your dealer as you won’t pay dealer tax for an old beater. Exactly the same for timing belt and spark plugs. Drive trains aren’t money makers for dealers for a long time.
- thaeli 4y ago
  Timing belt is the only expensive thing on that list (because of labor) and very few American market vehicles use timing belts anymore. The market has gone almost entirely to timing chains these days.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    We’re back to timing chains? I remember we used to have them back in the old days.

toomuchtodo 4y ago

> Citation needed. https://www.motortrend.com/news/government-ev-ice-maintenance-cost-comparison/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/government-ev-ice-maintenanc... https://www.consumerreports.org/car-repair-maintenance/pay-less-for-vehicle-maintenance-with-an-ev/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-repair-maintenance/pay-l... https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1190-june-14-2021-battery-electric-vehicles-have-lower-scheduled https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1190-june... https://insideevs.com/news/527165/study-evs-ownership-40percent-lower/ https://insideevs.com/news/527165/study-evs-ownership-40perc... https://publications.anl.gov/anlpubs/2021/05/167399.pdf https://publications.anl.gov/anlpubs/2021/05/167399.pdf

miohtama 4y ago
These are very high quality sources, thank you. The best citation on this site.