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Genuine question, what is stopping you from identifying as another caste in 2022 with the mass adoption of the concept of identifying with different genders? J

by sizzle 4y ago

Genuine question, what is stopping you from identifying as another caste in 2022 with the mass adoption of the concept of identifying with different genders? Just like being assigned a sex of Male or Female at birth, those who don’t want to associate can identify with another gender identity or even transition their bodies to whatever sex they please. I don’t buy the notion that once a Dalit by birth you are destined to a lifetime of suffering, especially if you made it to FAANG in the USA, you won the lottery are in the top 1% of Dalits that are in the cohort of successful, wealthy, educated technologists who can break down the walls of caste identification back home. With the protection of civil rights laws and freedom of religion in the USA, you can use your money and influence to start a movement that breaks the chains of caste identity for the oppressed community back home. I know the college youth in Delhi are very progressive and champion Women’s rights and protesting as a movement emerged when the horrific rape trials were brought to global attention. Maybe tap into this educated youth cohort to be the change for future generations to come and break caste identity at a conceptual level. Money and freedom in another powerful country = power and influence to change the narrative back home as a symbol and poster child of Dalit role models changing the world. Sorry I’m rambling, but if you made it to FAANG and aren’t paying it forward to your oppressed communities back home, then is your inaction to take a stand against Caste discrimination benefiting your oppressors because the top 1% of Dalits who can affect change left India as part of the brain drain of skilled individuals trying to make a better life for themselves abroad? Let casteism die with the older generations, start a movement with the youth to turn the tides in favor of fluid caste identity until it is no longer relevant conceptually. Someone please help me articulate this stream of consciousness into a single concise paragraph that is actionable. Thanks for listening, I would love to help in any way I can.

ip26 4y ago
Imagine trying to identify as a midwesterner except you secretly grew up in Canada. Sooner or later someone is going to figure it out, eh?
- gadflyinyoureye 4y ago
  It seems like the better choice is to claim that you're Minnesotan. Then after generations work your family down so they can fake being a Hoosier.
- hammock 4y ago
  Not really. There are scores of famous Hollywood actors, musicians etc who most would never guess were Canadian.
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  - anonymousab 4y ago
    You only see the ones who made it. Far, far more failed to do so.
tavish1 4y ago
caste has been described as "Tower without staircase", i.e. no ability to move up or down, regardless of your economic class, education, or any achievements. You don't identify with a caste, it is tied to your birth (family name, place of birth etc.).
johnny22 4y ago
it doesn't matter what you identify with/as, it matters how your bosses identify you.
eyelidlessness 4y ago
> Genuine question, what is stopping you from identifying as another caste in 2022 with the mass adoption of the concept of identifying with different genders? Since this is a genuine question, there’s something you should know about not conforming to the gender you were assigned at birth: we’re not accepted for our identity either. The concept of self-identification is separate from cultural acceptance of it. Moving to a place, however unrealistic the prospect, where autonomy in identity is more common doesn’t automatically make it safe or practical. Generally speaking, people who would benefit from emigrating, and can, already do. And they’re facing much more entrenched biases of racism and xenophobia.
- sizzle 4y ago
  What would it take to plant the seeds of change in the youth to abandon casteism conceptually as technology allows us to be on a more equal platform with all the world’s information at our fingertips?
  - namecheapTA 4y ago
    Hillary Clinton called 25-50% of the country deliverables, and it was basically well accepted by the media and most on her side. I don't think labeling the other is going away any time soon.
    - eyelidlessness 4y ago
      I have very little in common with either Clinton, but it’s hard to disagree with that assessment (even though it’s misconstrued), given the facts. Basically everyone that could be harmed by their coalition has been or is in their sights. Basically every bit of progress to make our society more inclusive has been under threat. The defectors from that program have been high profile but very lonely in their principled stands. I’m fairly privileged but I feel more vulnerable than ever that “then they came for me” is sooner rather than later. That’s more true for more vulnerable people I know. Calling people out for what they’re doing isn’t anywhere near the same thing as assigning lifelong attributes to them for their heritage.
pdfscan 4y ago
It's a fair question. And I think that logically it's equivalent. However, to maybe see why people don't do it (I imagine, I have no personal experience on this), let's put it in a US perspective. What if a visibly black person identifies as white? Or vice versa? Do you think it would be taken seriously by even the most ardent liberals? EDIT: For context, let's remember the case of Rachel Dolezal [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal
wellerpan 4y ago

by sizzle 4y ago

ip26 4y ago

Imagine trying to identify as a midwesterner except you secretly grew up in Canada. Sooner or later someone is going to figure it out, eh?

gadflyinyoureye 4y ago
It seems like the better choice is to claim that you're Minnesotan. Then after generations work your family down so they can fake being a Hoosier.
hammock 4y ago
Not really. There are scores of famous Hollywood actors, musicians etc who most would never guess were Canadian.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- anonymousab 4y ago
  You only see the ones who made it. Far, far more failed to do so.

tavish1 4y ago

caste has been described as "Tower without staircase", i.e. no ability to move up or down, regardless of your economic class, education, or any achievements. You don't identify with a caste, it is tied to your birth (family name, place of birth etc.).

johnny22 4y ago

it doesn't matter what you identify with/as, it matters how your bosses identify you.

eyelidlessness 4y ago

> Genuine question, what is stopping you from identifying as another caste in 2022 with the mass adoption of the concept of identifying with different genders? Since this is a genuine question, there’s something you should know about not conforming to the gender you were assigned at birth: we’re not accepted for our identity either. The concept of self-identification is separate from cultural acceptance of it. Moving to a place, however unrealistic the prospect, where autonomy in identity is more common doesn’t automatically make it safe or practical. Generally speaking, people who would benefit from emigrating, and can, already do. And they’re facing much more entrenched biases of racism and xenophobia.

sizzle 4y ago
What would it take to plant the seeds of change in the youth to abandon casteism conceptually as technology allows us to be on a more equal platform with all the world’s information at our fingertips?
- namecheapTA 4y ago
  Hillary Clinton called 25-50% of the country deliverables, and it was basically well accepted by the media and most on her side. I don't think labeling the other is going away any time soon.
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    I have very little in common with either Clinton, but it’s hard to disagree with that assessment (even though it’s misconstrued), given the facts. Basically everyone that could be harmed by their coalition has been or is in their sights. Basically every bit of progress to make our society more inclusive has been under threat. The defectors from that program have been high profile but very lonely in their principled stands. I’m fairly privileged but I feel more vulnerable than ever that “then they came for me” is sooner rather than later. That’s more true for more vulnerable people I know. Calling people out for what they’re doing isn’t anywhere near the same thing as assigning lifelong attributes to them for their heritage.

pdfscan 4y ago

It's a fair question. And I think that logically it's equivalent. However, to maybe see why people don't do it (I imagine, I have no personal experience on this), let's put it in a US perspective. What if a visibly black person identifies as white? Or vice versa? Do you think it would be taken seriously by even the most ardent liberals? EDIT: For context, let's remember the case of Rachel Dolezal [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

wellerpan 4y ago