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People who like negotiations generally think they're good at it. Guess what? The dealer sells multiple cars per day. You don't know enough to be a good negotia
by wumpus 4y ago
People who like negotiations generally think they're good at it.
Guess what? The dealer sells multiple cars per day. You don't know enough to be a good negotiator against them.
Same thing as venture capital vs company founders. Founders found a couple of companies which do a couple of rounds each. VCs make way more investments.
- Alupis 4y ago> Guess what? The dealer sells multiple cars per day. You don't know enough to be a good negotiator against them. Right - so let's get rid of negotiations all together and everyone pays whatever absurd price the sales team at Ford can think of without laughing out loud. This isn't a box of cookies folks... besides your house, it's likely the most expensive thing you'll ever buy. There is no "one" price for the asset... unless we remove all the competition that drives down prices (dealerships) and put all the assets into a single basket owned by one of a small handful of manufacturers in the world. What could go wrong?
- wumpus 4y agoWait what? If there are no negotiations, and Ford's price is too high compared to the market, Ford is going to lose sales. That's micro-economics. > besides your house, it's likely the most expensive thing you'll ever buy. This is Hacker News, and I've spent 10s of millions on servers, colo, and cloud.
- Alupis 4y agoThe problem is Ford will be the market. They are only offering these EV's direct from their website. There will be no dealerships to compete with on price and service. > This is Hacker News, and I've spent 10s of millions on servers, colo, and cloud. I'd bet you negotiated those contracts too.
- wumpus 4y agoI have no idea what you mean with that Ford comment. My best guess is that you think consumers are too stupid to consider anything but a Ford? I did negotiate server/colo/cloud prices, but I spent person-months of effort deconstructing what the right price was. I've never done that for a car. I once interviewed for a CTO job at a major storage vendor, and in the discussion they said that most of their major customers successfully reverse-engineered prices, and that kept their margins down. I've heard that (over beers) from some server resellers, too.
- gruez 4y ago>they said that most of their major customers successfully reverse-engineered prices, and that kept their margins down. What does this mean? Did they perfect the negotiating process? Did they figure out what your margins are, then demanded that you halve them?
- wumpus 4y agoThese major storage vendors only make the software; the hardware is commodity. The customers figured out the prices of the hardware: disks or flash, a way to connect them to a "server", the "server", the network that the "server" offers.
- BHSPitMonkey 4y ago> everyone pays whatever absurd price the sales team If it's truly absurd then they'll walk away and buy a cheaper car (or a used car) instead.
- tomc1985 4y agoAh yes so let's ruin a good thing so the incompetent have a fair chance? Pah. What is the point of learning and trying to be intelligent if everything around you gets training wheels put on it? Oh wait, it isn't for our benefit. Yet another case of losing opportunities under the guise of helping stupid people.
- wumpus 4y agoDid you leave off the sarcasm marker?
- grogenaut 4y agoI don't think I'm a good negotiator, I just think I'm better at it than you who is dealing with a "no-haggle" dealer. You don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than the slowest person to come out better. When I buy cars I shop around, there's surprising variance in dealers depending on what's going on with them. If a no haggle place has the best price I'll buy that. I haven't had that ever be the case as they quote MSRP.
- wumpus 4y agoI'm glad you think you are so smart.