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> Gender/racial/age discrimination are not surface-level obvious in America these days Yeah yea, tell that to the people who "ching chong" me whenever I leave

> Gender/racial/age discrimination are not surface-level obvious in America these days Yeah yea, tell that to the people who "ching chong" me whenever I leave the liberal coasts. Incredible how you people paint one of America's greatest strengths, one that few other countries possess - the willingness to speak about racial problems and create a real _home_ for talented immigrants - as a bad thing. There's a reason people like Jenson Huang and Satya Nadella are not in France, for example. The "American obsession with racial and gender identity" is a symptom of our desire for a better society and country, unlike the unobsessed French, 22.7% of whom are unwilling to live next to non-white neighbors[1]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15...

avar 4y ago
> "the unobsessed French, 22.7% of whom are unwilling to live next to non-white neighbors" Numbers like that tell you little more than how blunt the French are, and what's considered acceptable to tell a pollster over the phone. The real data is in the ground truth of ethnic divides. I'm pretty sure the US's "white flight" phenomenon and its self-segregated inner cities are more pronounced than anything happening in France.
- hahaxdxd123 4y ago
  > I'm pretty sure the US's "white flight" phenomenon and its self-segregated inner cities are more pronounced than anything happening in France. https://www.thelocal.fr/20171020/more-than-570-slums-house-16000-people-in-france/ https://www.thelocal.fr/20171020/more-than-570-slums-house-1... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banlieue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banlieue
noduerme 4y ago
I've experienced (and still experience) plenty of racist jokes, and some very not-well-meaning diatribes in my travels. I've been told point blank by a girl that her father would kill her and me if she brought me home. Is it upsetting sometimes? Sure. But it only shows certain people's ignorance. It's not my identity. Let me try to show my perspective. I come from a culture that is painfully aware of its minority status and a long history of extreme violence directed against it. I believe that the story of our persecution is valuable insofar as it makes us tolerant of others. But I have always believed that the factions in my own ethnic group who use victimhood to explain failures or to bolster their personal identity are committing what might be called "stolen valor". And that it in fact not only reflects negatively on the group, but is deeply corrosive to an individual over time, to frame one's understanding of interactions with the other groups in that way. In short, even if it's absolutely true, it's a crutch. And when you want to see it everywhere, you can. There's a blessing in being born different, or in a minority. It makes it easier to separate good people from assholes. The discussion of racist history and racial integration is extremely important in America. But it's ill served by allowing race to be a marker for our individual identity, or to project an assumption of identity on other people. My people came here to get away from that and, even with discrimination, even being hated by some, to succeed on their personal hard work and their individual merits. Let the haters hate. Be bigger and don't let them define you.

avar 4y ago

> "the unobsessed French, 22.7% of whom are unwilling to live next to non-white neighbors" Numbers like that tell you little more than how blunt the French are, and what's considered acceptable to tell a pollster over the phone. The real data is in the ground truth of ethnic divides. I'm pretty sure the US's "white flight" phenomenon and its self-segregated inner cities are more pronounced than anything happening in France.

hahaxdxd123 4y ago
> I'm pretty sure the US's "white flight" phenomenon and its self-segregated inner cities are more pronounced than anything happening in France. https://www.thelocal.fr/20171020/more-than-570-slums-house-16000-people-in-france/ https://www.thelocal.fr/20171020/more-than-570-slums-house-1... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banlieue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banlieue

noduerme 4y ago

I've experienced (and still experience) plenty of racist jokes, and some very not-well-meaning diatribes in my travels. I've been told point blank by a girl that her father would kill her and me if she brought me home. Is it upsetting sometimes? Sure. But it only shows certain people's ignorance. It's not my identity. Let me try to show my perspective. I come from a culture that is painfully aware of its minority status and a long history of extreme violence directed against it. I believe that the story of our persecution is valuable insofar as it makes us tolerant of others. But I have always believed that the factions in my own ethnic group who use victimhood to explain failures or to bolster their personal identity are committing what might be called "stolen valor". And that it in fact not only reflects negatively on the group, but is deeply corrosive to an individual over time, to frame one's understanding of interactions with the other groups in that way. In short, even if it's absolutely true, it's a crutch. And when you want to see it everywhere, you can. There's a blessing in being born different, or in a minority. It makes it easier to separate good people from assholes. The discussion of racist history and racial integration is extremely important in America. But it's ill served by allowing race to be a marker for our individual identity, or to project an assumption of identity on other people. My people came here to get away from that and, even with discrimination, even being hated by some, to succeed on their personal hard work and their individual merits. Let the haters hate. Be bigger and don't let them define you.