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> The demonization of unions is over the most successful cases of propaganda in the last century Ever notice how unions are somehow all the same entity, and se

by _jal 4y ago

> The demonization of unions is over the most successful cases of propaganda in the last century Ever notice how unions are somehow all the same entity, and seem to have to answer for things completely different unions in completely different industries did? Nobody treats corporations this way, even though (if you look at interlocking BoD membership) there's a more reasonable case to be made for collusion in some industries...

AnimalMuppet 4y ago
> Nobody treats corporations this way... Oh yes they do. "All corporations are evil exploitive money-grubbing polluting anti-democratic anti-worker..." I've seen it, here on HN, on the regular. I don't recall if I've seen it today, but I see it a lot. > ... even though (if you look at interlocking BoD membership) there's a more reasonable case to be made for collusion in some industries... The AFL-CIO looks (or at least looked) like the same thing, but for unions.
- _jal 4y ago
  > Oh yes they do You can nutpick to find people saying anything, of course. Show me someone in a position of power saying that. I think they closest you'll find is someone like AOC, who has gone nowhere near that. > The AFL-CIO looks (or at least looked) like the same thing, but for unions. The AFL-CIO has been in decline for several decades. If you want to tar, say, the Amazon efforts with things the AFL-CIO did in the 60s, you're just making my point for me.
  - AnimalMuppet 4y ago
    > nutpick I don't know whether that was a typo or deliberate, but it's beautiful. I'm stealing it. Yes, you absolutely can find a nut who will say anything - even several nuts. Absolutely. But in this case, I think it's a bit stronger than that. I see it too often. It could be just a few loudmouths saying the same thing over and over, but to me it feels more like, say, 5% of HN users actually believe that. True, that's far less than the number who believe "all unions are evil", but it still seems to me to be enough people to be significant. > If you want to tar, say, the Amazon efforts with things the AFL-CIO did in the 60s, you're just making my point for me. Well, I didn't want to do that, so don't put that on me. All I wanted to say is that, as corporations can collude (or at least appear to), so can unions, and we have historical examples of it happening - and, unlike corporate collusion, happening formally and in the open.

by _jal 4y ago

AnimalMuppet 4y ago

> Nobody treats corporations this way... Oh yes they do. "All corporations are evil exploitive money-grubbing polluting anti-democratic anti-worker..." I've seen it, here on HN, on the regular. I don't recall if I've seen it today, but I see it a lot. > ... even though (if you look at interlocking BoD membership) there's a more reasonable case to be made for collusion in some industries... The AFL-CIO looks (or at least looked) like the same thing, but for unions.

_jal 4y ago
> Oh yes they do You can nutpick to find people saying anything, of course. Show me someone in a position of power saying that. I think they closest you'll find is someone like AOC, who has gone nowhere near that. > The AFL-CIO looks (or at least looked) like the same thing, but for unions. The AFL-CIO has been in decline for several decades. If you want to tar, say, the Amazon efforts with things the AFL-CIO did in the 60s, you're just making my point for me.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  > nutpick I don't know whether that was a typo or deliberate, but it's beautiful. I'm stealing it. Yes, you absolutely can find a nut who will say anything - even several nuts. Absolutely. But in this case, I think it's a bit stronger than that. I see it too often. It could be just a few loudmouths saying the same thing over and over, but to me it feels more like, say, 5% of HN users actually believe that. True, that's far less than the number who believe "all unions are evil", but it still seems to me to be enough people to be significant. > If you want to tar, say, the Amazon efforts with things the AFL-CIO did in the 60s, you're just making my point for me. Well, I didn't want to do that, so don't put that on me. All I wanted to say is that, as corporations can collude (or at least appear to), so can unions, and we have historical examples of it happening - and, unlike corporate collusion, happening formally and in the open.