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I wish it were that easy. First of all lying like that is near impossible unless you know every single thing done in a Brahmin household, you'll be caught event

I wish it were that easy. First of all lying like that is near impossible unless you know every single thing done in a Brahmin household, you'll be caught eventually. In a workplace setting, you might be boycotted but if this were in India, you have a high chance of getting murdered brutally. Dalits get killed for just riding a horse, walking through upper caste residential streets and many normal things. In this scale a Brahmin name would be deadly

swayvil 4y ago
dotopotoro 4y ago
Murdered by which caste? Allegedly of course. Brahmin or somebody else?
- vijaybritto 4y ago
  Great question. It will be any upper caste who are above Dalits. There is no one perpetrator here but all of them. The main point to note is that the caste hierarchy is sacred and will be enforced by endogamy (arranged marriages) and other occupational rules. You will be shown your place very very quickly. Love marriages are quite deadly and parents killing their own children and the lower caste grooms are extremely common. You can search for "honour killings in India". Please read "Annihilation of Caste" by Dr. B.R. Ambedkar. Its around 50 pages of an undelivered speech, later published. If you want to learn about caste, please make sure not to ask for explanations from an upper caste person. This is extremely important!! Example of this enforcement: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-15997648 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-15997648
  - sshlocalhost98 4y ago
    Ambedkar said similar things to muslims as well, you can stop hating on Hindus. Hinduism does not condone honour killings, it’s a cultural thing. The amount of hate and comments from you is appalling, while everything you say is not wrong but please be civil.
    - vijaybritto 4y ago
      hating on Hindus? I'm not sure what's hateful here for describing actual events. The ones receiving the caste oppression are also Hindus. Dalits are not Hindus you mean?
      - sshlocalhost98 4y ago
        Hmm yes, really sad situation here, I hope people change
bluesroo 4y ago
The parent comment died while I typed my response, so I'm just throwing it here to elaborate on your comment: I'm not Indian, but I read a lot about this when the Cisco stuff came out. The gist that I picked up from interviews with Indians dealing with this was that there is A LOT of cultural background that you'd be very unlikely to know if you hadn't grown up in a certain caste. A (likely shitty) analogy: You can learn about WWII all you want, but unless you were deployed it would be hard to fake that you were at a specific battle or did a specific training. There's probably minute details that were not written down, but people who were there would casually know. There may be habits or turns of phrase that would have been picked up. Maybe a certain landmark or destroyed thing that had a funny nickname. Maybe it's knowing a certain soldier or commander by a nickname that hasn't made it into the history books. "Oh you trained at X? Man I loved tuna Tuesdays even though noone would touch the stuff. Do you remember when private Y did..." Through casual conversation, it's very difficult to keep the ruse up. Now if the interlocutor is actively trying to root you out its basically impossible. In the interviews I was listening to, the best case scenario was that the higher caste member came away not knowing what caste your from, but definitely knew you were not a Brahmin... Because if you were, you'd casually bring up X, Y, and Z and use these phrases and these gestures and and and...
- moron4hire 4y ago
  Shiboleths
  - moab 4y ago
    It's spelled "shibboleth". You could have googled it.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - moron4hire 4y ago
      It's called "glass keyboards suck". You could have kept your mouth shut about inconsequential things.
moab 4y ago
The claims made in this post are in dire need of citations, and don't strike me as believable. And just FWIW, most first-generation Indians in America couldn't give two shits about the caste system.
- sizzle 4y ago
  Highly agree on your second point, many first generation born south Asians I work for or work with that grew up within the suburbs couldn’t care less caste and simply don’t relate or identify with their parent’s generation and caste affiliation, they just want to be seen as American and are treated as such. Only older heads who immigrated here are the lions share of individuals perpetuating this caste based discrimination. Please state your sources if you disagree with my assessment of first generation born Americans of South Asian descent working in big tech and Silicon Valley.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    In my admittedly limited experience, people born to Indian parents in the US don't care about caste unless they are Brahmin, in which case, they'll be taught their caste rituals. Indians recently arrived from India care a lot more because reservation (think affirmative action by caste) and Hindu nationalism have become a big deal in Indian politics.
    - ridiculous_leke 4y ago
      Only Brahmins are authorized to carry out certain religious activities in Hinduism. So if a Hindu wants to conduct those activities at their house in the US, they ought to fetch a Brahmin. That could be the reason why some Brahmins still stick to their identity.
    - kadayadi 4y ago
      Hindu nationalism has the most support from Upper castes. The majority of Hindus in the west anyway support RSS and in the west they become champions of minority rights and anti-discrimination. A majority of Indians who come to the west are also mostly Upper castes because unlike the gulf which give the job to all strata of people, only high profile people are given visas which happen to be high castes because generationally they hold the majority of the country wealth. So how is your statement many Indians who come to the US care about caste due to reservation even make sense?
ridiculous_leke 4y ago
> Dalits get killed for just riding a horse, walking through upper caste residential streets and many normal things. In this scale a Brahmin name would be deadly India is a big country. Where in India is this a common practice?
- vijaybritto 4y ago
  This will happen in any part of the country Dalits exist. So all of it. The oppression will be localized to that region. Like in southern states there is no ritual where a from rides a horse. So this won't happen there. But in a lot villages in Tamil Nadu Dalits are not allowed to wear footwear while crossing an upper caste St. They have to carry it on their heads. Please Google for these if they are mind boggling

swayvil 4y ago

dotopotoro 4y ago

Murdered by which caste? Allegedly of course. Brahmin or somebody else?

vijaybritto 4y ago
Great question. It will be any upper caste who are above Dalits. There is no one perpetrator here but all of them. The main point to note is that the caste hierarchy is sacred and will be enforced by endogamy (arranged marriages) and other occupational rules. You will be shown your place very very quickly. Love marriages are quite deadly and parents killing their own children and the lower caste grooms are extremely common. You can search for "honour killings in India". Please read "Annihilation of Caste" by Dr. B.R. Ambedkar. Its around 50 pages of an undelivered speech, later published. If you want to learn about caste, please make sure not to ask for explanations from an upper caste person. This is extremely important!! Example of this enforcement: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-15997648 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-15997648
- sshlocalhost98 4y ago
  Ambedkar said similar things to muslims as well, you can stop hating on Hindus. Hinduism does not condone honour killings, it’s a cultural thing. The amount of hate and comments from you is appalling, while everything you say is not wrong but please be civil.
  - vijaybritto 4y ago
    hating on Hindus? I'm not sure what's hateful here for describing actual events. The ones receiving the caste oppression are also Hindus. Dalits are not Hindus you mean?
    - sshlocalhost98 4y ago
      Hmm yes, really sad situation here, I hope people change

bluesroo 4y ago

The parent comment died while I typed my response, so I'm just throwing it here to elaborate on your comment: I'm not Indian, but I read a lot about this when the Cisco stuff came out. The gist that I picked up from interviews with Indians dealing with this was that there is A LOT of cultural background that you'd be very unlikely to know if you hadn't grown up in a certain caste. A (likely shitty) analogy: You can learn about WWII all you want, but unless you were deployed it would be hard to fake that you were at a specific battle or did a specific training. There's probably minute details that were not written down, but people who were there would casually know. There may be habits or turns of phrase that would have been picked up. Maybe a certain landmark or destroyed thing that had a funny nickname. Maybe it's knowing a certain soldier or commander by a nickname that hasn't made it into the history books. "Oh you trained at X? Man I loved tuna Tuesdays even though noone would touch the stuff. Do you remember when private Y did..." Through casual conversation, it's very difficult to keep the ruse up. Now if the interlocutor is actively trying to root you out its basically impossible. In the interviews I was listening to, the best case scenario was that the higher caste member came away not knowing what caste your from, but definitely knew you were not a Brahmin... Because if you were, you'd casually bring up X, Y, and Z and use these phrases and these gestures and and and...

moron4hire 4y ago
Shiboleths
- moab 4y ago
  It's spelled "shibboleth". You could have googled it.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - moron4hire 4y ago
    It's called "glass keyboards suck". You could have kept your mouth shut about inconsequential things.

moab 4y ago

The claims made in this post are in dire need of citations, and don't strike me as believable. And just FWIW, most first-generation Indians in America couldn't give two shits about the caste system.

sizzle 4y ago
Highly agree on your second point, many first generation born south Asians I work for or work with that grew up within the suburbs couldn’t care less caste and simply don’t relate or identify with their parent’s generation and caste affiliation, they just want to be seen as American and are treated as such. Only older heads who immigrated here are the lions share of individuals perpetuating this caste based discrimination. Please state your sources if you disagree with my assessment of first generation born Americans of South Asian descent working in big tech and Silicon Valley.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  In my admittedly limited experience, people born to Indian parents in the US don't care about caste unless they are Brahmin, in which case, they'll be taught their caste rituals. Indians recently arrived from India care a lot more because reservation (think affirmative action by caste) and Hindu nationalism have become a big deal in Indian politics.
  - ridiculous_leke 4y ago
    Only Brahmins are authorized to carry out certain religious activities in Hinduism. So if a Hindu wants to conduct those activities at their house in the US, they ought to fetch a Brahmin. That could be the reason why some Brahmins still stick to their identity.
  - kadayadi 4y ago
    Hindu nationalism has the most support from Upper castes. The majority of Hindus in the west anyway support RSS and in the west they become champions of minority rights and anti-discrimination. A majority of Indians who come to the west are also mostly Upper castes because unlike the gulf which give the job to all strata of people, only high profile people are given visas which happen to be high castes because generationally they hold the majority of the country wealth. So how is your statement many Indians who come to the US care about caste due to reservation even make sense?

ridiculous_leke 4y ago

> Dalits get killed for just riding a horse, walking through upper caste residential streets and many normal things. In this scale a Brahmin name would be deadly India is a big country. Where in India is this a common practice?

vijaybritto 4y ago
This will happen in any part of the country Dalits exist. So all of it. The oppression will be localized to that region. Like in southern states there is no ritual where a from rides a horse. So this won't happen there. But in a lot villages in Tamil Nadu Dalits are not allowed to wear footwear while crossing an upper caste St. They have to carry it on their heads. Please Google for these if they are mind boggling