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Never heard of it, but sounds dangerous helping out rapists and murderers and such.

by sowww 4y ago

Karunamon 4y ago
Perhaps, but unless you want a permanent under class of people unable to find real employment, there needs to be an on-ramp. Either someone is too dangerous to have in public (which case they should still be imprisoned), or they have served their sentence and their punishment is over.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  To add to this, 45% of people in federal prison are there for a drug charge. https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offen... Only a little over 1/3rd are actually in prison for violent crime.
  - creato 4y ago
    That table looks like it sums to 100%, which is confusing. Many prisoners have been convicted of both drug and weapons charges. How is that represented? My understanding is that while the rate of prisoners with drug charges is high, the rate of prisoners with only drug charges is a lot lower.
  - floxy 4y ago
    >Only a little over 1/3rd are actually in prison for violent crime On that chart, I was a little bit surprised to see the percentages for: - category (g) (Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses) and - category (l) (Sex Offenses) ...are as high as they are (although probably not that high in absolute numbers) for federal prison. I wonder where one could find a breakdown of the offenses? I'd have thought the only way to get a federal rape or murder sentence would be to commit the act on an FBI agent or other on-duty federal agent (Secret Service, US Marshals, Postman, others?). But I guess maybe soldiers who have been court-martialed end up in federal prison? That might explain most of those? And maybe kidnapping becomes a federal offense if you cross state lines?
  - danielvf 4y ago
    That's a stat for Federal prisons - it's a completely different set of laws and crimes than state and local laws, and only 10% Americans incarcerated are in federal prisons. Here's a breakdown by most serious offense for my state's prison system: https://www.doc.sc.gov/research/InmatePopulationStats/ASOF-Most_Serious_Off_6-30-21.pdf https://www.doc.sc.gov/research/InmatePopulationStats/ASOF-M... Which has 16% drugs, but also: 26% homicide, 12% Robbery, 11% Burglary, 9.5% Rape/Sexual assault, 6.6% Kidnapping, 6.4% Assault. I wrote an blog post a while back about how prison populations skew so much towards the most violent crimes. http://braino.org/essays/why_so_many_people_in_prison/ http://braino.org/essays/why_so_many_people_in_prison/
    - DarylZero 4y ago
      Prison populations skew toward violent crimes because the sentences for them are longer. They aren't representative of the number of convicts.
- tizio13 4y ago
  Exactly. I truly hope sowww doesn’t find themselves on the wrong side of the law for the million dumb reasons a person can get arrested and jailed for.
- sowww 4y ago
  - Karunamon 4y ago
    This register idea amounts to a permanent scarlet letter, and probably is going to have an effect you don't want. What do you think people are gonna do if they are unable to have a normal job? Just from a harm reduction standpoint, this is a bad idea. You will absolutely increase the amount of crime in the world. I think the world is better when we don't know about all the misdeeds of every random person.
  - chirau 4y ago
- RickWolter 4y ago
  well said if you had some free time to volunteer and wanted a mission reach out here.... https://www.underdogdevs.org https://www.underdogdevs.org and on Twitter @UnderdogDevs
- conioh 4y ago
  > Perhaps, but unless you want a permanent under class of people unable to find real employment, there needs to be an on-ramp. Either someone is too dangerous to have in public (which case they should still be imprisoned), or they have served their sentence and their punishment is over. That's not how the "criminal justice system" works. Not in the US and not in most of the rest of the world, especially the "first world"/"Western world". Prisoners are NOT release only once they are deemed no longer dangerous. They are release once their allotted prison time is over. They can still be dangerous and released, and they can be not dangerous at all from they one and still go to prison. Also: Choosing to like someone and dislike someone else, choosing whom you assist when not obligated by law and whom you don't, choosing who gets your time and who doesn't - all of this is not part of the punishment people are sentenced to by the state court system and thus it is not "over" in any sense or way once they are release from prison. You, I, and Mr. sowwww are free to volunteer our time, money and efforts towards whom and what we'd like and we're under no obligation to assist people we don't like just because "they have served their sentence and their punishment is over".
  - Karunamon 4y ago
    In the future, please note the existence of the word "should" before posting angry screeds against something I didn't say.

Never heard of it, but sounds dangerous helping out rapists and murderers and such.

by sowww 4y ago

Never heard of it, but sounds dangerous helping out rapists and murderers and such.

Perhaps, but unless you want a permanent under class of people unable to find real employment, there needs to be an on-ramp. Either someone is too dangerous to have in public (which case they should still be imprisoned), or they have served their sentence and their punishment is over.

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
To add to this, 45% of people in federal prison are there for a drug charge. https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offen... Only a little over 1/3rd are actually in prison for violent crime.
- creato 4y ago
  That table looks like it sums to 100%, which is confusing. Many prisoners have been convicted of both drug and weapons charges. How is that represented? My understanding is that while the rate of prisoners with drug charges is high, the rate of prisoners with only drug charges is a lot lower.
- floxy 4y ago
  >Only a little over 1/3rd are actually in prison for violent crime On that chart, I was a little bit surprised to see the percentages for: - category (g) (Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses) and - category (l) (Sex Offenses) ...are as high as they are (although probably not that high in absolute numbers) for federal prison. I wonder where one could find a breakdown of the offenses? I'd have thought the only way to get a federal rape or murder sentence would be to commit the act on an FBI agent or other on-duty federal agent (Secret Service, US Marshals, Postman, others?). But I guess maybe soldiers who have been court-martialed end up in federal prison? That might explain most of those? And maybe kidnapping becomes a federal offense if you cross state lines?
- danielvf 4y ago
  That's a stat for Federal prisons - it's a completely different set of laws and crimes than state and local laws, and only 10% Americans incarcerated are in federal prisons. Here's a breakdown by most serious offense for my state's prison system: https://www.doc.sc.gov/research/InmatePopulationStats/ASOF-Most_Serious_Off_6-30-21.pdf https://www.doc.sc.gov/research/InmatePopulationStats/ASOF-M... Which has 16% drugs, but also: 26% homicide, 12% Robbery, 11% Burglary, 9.5% Rape/Sexual assault, 6.6% Kidnapping, 6.4% Assault. I wrote an blog post a while back about how prison populations skew so much towards the most violent crimes. http://braino.org/essays/why_so_many_people_in_prison/ http://braino.org/essays/why_so_many_people_in_prison/
  - DarylZero 4y ago
    Prison populations skew toward violent crimes because the sentences for them are longer. They aren't representative of the number of convicts.
tizio13 4y ago
Exactly. I truly hope sowww doesn’t find themselves on the wrong side of the law for the million dumb reasons a person can get arrested and jailed for.
sowww 4y ago
- Karunamon 4y ago
  This register idea amounts to a permanent scarlet letter, and probably is going to have an effect you don't want. What do you think people are gonna do if they are unable to have a normal job? Just from a harm reduction standpoint, this is a bad idea. You will absolutely increase the amount of crime in the world. I think the world is better when we don't know about all the misdeeds of every random person.
- chirau 4y ago
RickWolter 4y ago
well said if you had some free time to volunteer and wanted a mission reach out here.... https://www.underdogdevs.org https://www.underdogdevs.org and on Twitter @UnderdogDevs
conioh 4y ago
> Perhaps, but unless you want a permanent under class of people unable to find real employment, there needs to be an on-ramp. Either someone is too dangerous to have in public (which case they should still be imprisoned), or they have served their sentence and their punishment is over. That's not how the "criminal justice system" works. Not in the US and not in most of the rest of the world, especially the "first world"/"Western world". Prisoners are NOT release only once they are deemed no longer dangerous. They are release once their allotted prison time is over. They can still be dangerous and released, and they can be not dangerous at all from they one and still go to prison. Also: Choosing to like someone and dislike someone else, choosing whom you assist when not obligated by law and whom you don't, choosing who gets your time and who doesn't - all of this is not part of the punishment people are sentenced to by the state court system and thus it is not "over" in any sense or way once they are release from prison. You, I, and Mr. sowwww are free to volunteer our time, money and efforts towards whom and what we'd like and we're under no obligation to assist people we don't like just because "they have served their sentence and their punishment is over".
- Karunamon 4y ago
  In the future, please note the existence of the word "should" before posting angry screeds against something I didn't say.