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In which senses are they center-right? This is the first time I've ever heard someone refer to CNN as anywhere near the right. AllSides Bias Rating puts them o

In which senses are they center-right? This is the first time I've ever heard someone refer to CNN as anywhere near the right. AllSides Bias Rating puts them on the left, https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart Pew Research shows a significant slant toward the left in terms of CNN's audience, https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/interactives/media-polarization/outlet/cnn https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/interactives/media-po... Searching CNN in this bias chart shows center-left, https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/ https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/ From 2014 but still showing CNN toward the left, https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444 https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444

pueblito 4y ago
For me, personally, the nonstop rotation of defense lobbyists and uncritical parroting of anything put out by the Pentagon makes CNN appear pretty right wing to me. Especially since it’s a bunch of intelligence community apparatchiks doing the parroting. Everything else they report comes from PR NewsWire, and to me that union of corporate power and media also seems very right wing
- Clubber 4y ago
  I think CNN is definitely allied with the Democratic Party. Both parties are hawks when it serves their interest, so not having intelligence propaganda showing wouldn't be an option. For those that downvoted him, many of the CNN "war contributors" have ties with the defense industry that are not disclosed, and those are all pro-war/intervention. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/news-networks-use-retired-military-brass-as-war-analysts-without-disclosing-their-defense-industry-ties/2020/01/13/7b507bfe-323c-11ea-91fd-82d4e04a3fac_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/news-networks... https://jacobin.com/2022/04/defense-industry-ex-military-officials-pundits-corporate-news-ukraine https://jacobin.com/2022/04/defense-industry-ex-military-off... This has been going on for decades. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html EDIT: I just noticed but I think it's funny that the WaPo has an article showing that the defense industry has infiltrated our news organizations in the lifestyle section. It's almost as if the editors are trying to hide the fact. I would think it would be a front page thing. Pretty significant assault on the democratic process, particularly on a subject as immense as war.
zzzeek 4y ago
> AllSides Bias Rating puts them on the left They put CNN, and Democracy Now! , in the *same bucket*. that is insane. NYT opinion also has Ross Douthat, Maureen Dowd, Bret Stephens for chrissakes, David Brooks, Thomas Friedman, I dont know how they can put NYT opinion in "left" without putting it in "right" as well. As far as CNN's audience, certainly they would be slightly left because right leaning viewers are sucked into the FOX news vortex. is any of this "far left"? absolutely not. if you dont see "abolish the police and all prisons" and "forgive all student debt", you aren't looking at far left content.
- Clubber 4y ago
  >if you dont see "abolish the police and all prisons" and "forgive all student debt", you aren't looking at far left content. I never took the "defund the police" movement as "abolish the police." I thought equating it to "abolish the police" was just a right wing hit-job.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > I never took the "defund the police" movement as "abolish the police." I thought equating it to "abolish the police" was just a right wing hit-job. No, not really. Some on the left actually took it that far. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol... > Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police > By Mariame Kaba (Ms. Kaba is an organizer against criminalization.) > ...I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years. Regardless of your view on police power — whether you want to get rid of the police or simply to make them less violent — here’s an immediate demand we can all make: Cut the number of police in half and cut their budget in half. Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people. The idea is gaining traction in Minneapolis, Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities. > ...People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation. What would the country look like if it had billions of extra dollars to spend on housing, food and education for all? This change in society wouldn’t happen immediately, but the protests show that many people are ready to embrace a different vision of safety and justice. That was published a couple weeks after George Floyd's death.
suture 4y ago
In the sense that outside the United States by and large it is center-right. What is considered ‘left’ in the United States is often times a right leaning view in other countries. The politics of the U.S. have shifted very much to the right over the last 50 years in the U.S. Consider that it was Nixon who approached China, established the EPA and wanted to solve the healthcare issue in the U.S. Eisenhower built the interstate highway system and Regan believed the tax on labor should be less than the tax on capital.
zzzeek 4y ago
" AllSides was founded in 2012 by John Gable, a former Republican political aide turned Silicon Valley manager working at Netscape, and Scott McDonald, a software developer.[7][1][8][9] AllSides uses a "multi-partisan" methodology first developed by conservative professor Timothy Groseclose and his collaborator Jeffrey Milyo.[10]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllSides https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllSides Founded by Republicans and using methodologies developed by conservatives to arrive at the outrageous conclusion that the NYT and CNN are "left of liberal". No bias there of course

pueblito 4y ago

For me, personally, the nonstop rotation of defense lobbyists and uncritical parroting of anything put out by the Pentagon makes CNN appear pretty right wing to me. Especially since it’s a bunch of intelligence community apparatchiks doing the parroting. Everything else they report comes from PR NewsWire, and to me that union of corporate power and media also seems very right wing

Clubber 4y ago
I think CNN is definitely allied with the Democratic Party. Both parties are hawks when it serves their interest, so not having intelligence propaganda showing wouldn't be an option. For those that downvoted him, many of the CNN "war contributors" have ties with the defense industry that are not disclosed, and those are all pro-war/intervention. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/news-networks-use-retired-military-brass-as-war-analysts-without-disclosing-their-defense-industry-ties/2020/01/13/7b507bfe-323c-11ea-91fd-82d4e04a3fac_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/news-networks... https://jacobin.com/2022/04/defense-industry-ex-military-officials-pundits-corporate-news-ukraine https://jacobin.com/2022/04/defense-industry-ex-military-off... This has been going on for decades. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/us/20generals.html EDIT: I just noticed but I think it's funny that the WaPo has an article showing that the defense industry has infiltrated our news organizations in the lifestyle section. It's almost as if the editors are trying to hide the fact. I would think it would be a front page thing. Pretty significant assault on the democratic process, particularly on a subject as immense as war.

zzzeek 4y ago

> AllSides Bias Rating puts them on the left They put CNN, and Democracy Now! , in the *same bucket*. that is insane. NYT opinion also has Ross Douthat, Maureen Dowd, Bret Stephens for chrissakes, David Brooks, Thomas Friedman, I dont know how they can put NYT opinion in "left" without putting it in "right" as well. As far as CNN's audience, certainly they would be slightly left because right leaning viewers are sucked into the FOX news vortex. is any of this "far left"? absolutely not. if you dont see "abolish the police and all prisons" and "forgive all student debt", you aren't looking at far left content.

Clubber 4y ago
>if you dont see "abolish the police and all prisons" and "forgive all student debt", you aren't looking at far left content. I never took the "defund the police" movement as "abolish the police." I thought equating it to "abolish the police" was just a right wing hit-job.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > I never took the "defund the police" movement as "abolish the police." I thought equating it to "abolish the police" was just a right wing hit-job. No, not really. Some on the left actually took it that far. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol... > Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police > By Mariame Kaba (Ms. Kaba is an organizer against criminalization.) > ...I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years. Regardless of your view on police power — whether you want to get rid of the police or simply to make them less violent — here’s an immediate demand we can all make: Cut the number of police in half and cut their budget in half. Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people. The idea is gaining traction in Minneapolis, Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities. > ...People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation. What would the country look like if it had billions of extra dollars to spend on housing, food and education for all? This change in society wouldn’t happen immediately, but the protests show that many people are ready to embrace a different vision of safety and justice. That was published a couple weeks after George Floyd's death.

suture 4y ago

In the sense that outside the United States by and large it is center-right. What is considered ‘left’ in the United States is often times a right leaning view in other countries. The politics of the U.S. have shifted very much to the right over the last 50 years in the U.S. Consider that it was Nixon who approached China, established the EPA and wanted to solve the healthcare issue in the U.S. Eisenhower built the interstate highway system and Regan believed the tax on labor should be less than the tax on capital.

zzzeek 4y ago

" AllSides was founded in 2012 by John Gable, a former Republican political aide turned Silicon Valley manager working at Netscape, and Scott McDonald, a software developer.[7][1][8][9] AllSides uses a "multi-partisan" methodology first developed by conservative professor Timothy Groseclose and his collaborator Jeffrey Milyo.[10]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllSides https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllSides Founded by Republicans and using methodologies developed by conservatives to arrive at the outrageous conclusion that the NYT and CNN are "left of liberal". No bias there of course