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If every app had a clear table like that, that'd actually would be the bee's knees. Especially if it was front-and-center. Imagine if every code library came w

If every app had a clear table like that, that'd actually would be the bee's knees. Especially if it was front-and-center. Imagine if every code library came with a structure that documented that too (ie, for 3rd party libraries that link to 3rd party services), so the table could be someone automatically generated. It's akin go a standard privacy "Nutritional Label" that only exists due to forced regulation, and not industry agreement.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
This is what Apple has/is moving toward and yet they get ripped to shreds here and on reddit. As an iOS user, I want even stronger privacy control and disclosures; the current Apple disclosure requirement is still pretty vague. However, it is really nice seeing apps that say "this developer does not collect any user information."
- onphonenow 4y ago
  yeah, there is a big split happening I think between what users want and what other businesses / developers want here.
- lukeschlather 4y ago
  F-Droid is set up better than Apple or Google but it's illegal for me to install F-Droid on an iPhone and while it's legal to install F-Droid on Android Google has intentionally made it unusable without rooting your phone.
  - benoliver999 4y ago
    I've always used it on phones without root. Does it not work any more?
    - mccorrinall 4y ago
      It works, but you have to install each app update manually I think.
      - breakingcups 4y ago
        And two-thirds of the updates and installs will pop up a dialog from Google requesting you in misleading terms to enable Play Protect if you haven't. Where the entire point of F-Droid for me is to stay out of Google's grasp and ecosystem.
        discardedrefuse 4y ago
        I've been using F-Droid for many years. Currently, I'm on a stock, never rooted OnePlus 8 running Android 11 (OnePlus's OxygenOS). Google services are present, disabled where possible, and I am not signed into a Google account. I install all apps from F-Droid and the Aurora Store; including several banking apps. I've never seen the Play Protect message you're talking about.
        hnburnsy 4y ago
        If you have Play Store services disabled, you probably don't have Play Protect working as I believe it runs under the Play Services.
        discardedrefuse 4y ago
        I do have Play Store services enabled and updated. I do "system" app updates (Carrier Services, Android System WebView, Play Services, etc) through the Play Store's update mechanism (which is still available even though I'm not signed in to a Google account). I do "user" app installs (Schwab, Amex, Fastmail, Element, etc) from Aurora and F-Droid.
        brnt 4y ago
        In all the years I have ran Lineageos I've never seen this. I have both Play store and F-droid.
    - pwg 4y ago
      Presently using F-Droid on an Android without root -- it works just fine without root.
  - pmontra 4y ago
    Illegal as in breaking the law? /Honest question. I'm using F Droid on all my Android devices. They are version 8, 10 and 11. It works with no problem, no root required.
    - lukeschlather 4y ago
      Apple uses DRM to prevent installation of third-party app-stores, which means trying violates the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA.
      - hasperdi 4y ago
        There are so many wrongs with this comment. I'm not sure if don't understand the law or just trolling.
- derac 4y ago
  I see a generally favourable sentiment toward their privacy controls. The negativity is usually around other aspects of their app store.
awinter-py 4y ago
yeah, doing this automatically from code would be amazing (and probably required complex dataflow linting to ensure it) even for apps that aren't open source, a trusted third party can run an analyzer on the source code to generate something like this; you can also have internal dashes that track what has been shared, how many times, and what triggered the share. you can hook into settings and toggle specific sharing on / off, you can ban certain kinds of sharing entirely. tools like skyflow are already trying to provide this for regulated PII
indymike 4y ago
I've been using iubenda to do this for my products.
bozhark 4y ago
If code got a “Nutritional Information” style label, I would switch from hardware to software. Or at least add it. MSDS for code!

KennyBlanken 4y ago

This is what Apple has/is moving toward and yet they get ripped to shreds here and on reddit. As an iOS user, I want even stronger privacy control and disclosures; the current Apple disclosure requirement is still pretty vague. However, it is really nice seeing apps that say "this developer does not collect any user information."

onphonenow 4y ago
yeah, there is a big split happening I think between what users want and what other businesses / developers want here.
lukeschlather 4y ago
F-Droid is set up better than Apple or Google but it's illegal for me to install F-Droid on an iPhone and while it's legal to install F-Droid on Android Google has intentionally made it unusable without rooting your phone.
- benoliver999 4y ago
  I've always used it on phones without root. Does it not work any more?
  - mccorrinall 4y ago
    It works, but you have to install each app update manually I think.
    - breakingcups 4y ago
      And two-thirds of the updates and installs will pop up a dialog from Google requesting you in misleading terms to enable Play Protect if you haven't. Where the entire point of F-Droid for me is to stay out of Google's grasp and ecosystem.
      - discardedrefuse 4y ago
        I've been using F-Droid for many years. Currently, I'm on a stock, never rooted OnePlus 8 running Android 11 (OnePlus's OxygenOS). Google services are present, disabled where possible, and I am not signed into a Google account. I install all apps from F-Droid and the Aurora Store; including several banking apps. I've never seen the Play Protect message you're talking about.
        hnburnsy 4y ago
        If you have Play Store services disabled, you probably don't have Play Protect working as I believe it runs under the Play Services.
        discardedrefuse 4y ago
        I do have Play Store services enabled and updated. I do "system" app updates (Carrier Services, Android System WebView, Play Services, etc) through the Play Store's update mechanism (which is still available even though I'm not signed in to a Google account). I do "user" app installs (Schwab, Amex, Fastmail, Element, etc) from Aurora and F-Droid.
      - brnt 4y ago
        In all the years I have ran Lineageos I've never seen this. I have both Play store and F-droid.
  - pwg 4y ago
    Presently using F-Droid on an Android without root -- it works just fine without root.
- pmontra 4y ago
  Illegal as in breaking the law? /Honest question. I'm using F Droid on all my Android devices. They are version 8, 10 and 11. It works with no problem, no root required.
  - lukeschlather 4y ago
    Apple uses DRM to prevent installation of third-party app-stores, which means trying violates the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA.
    - hasperdi 4y ago
      There are so many wrongs with this comment. I'm not sure if don't understand the law or just trolling.
derac 4y ago
I see a generally favourable sentiment toward their privacy controls. The negativity is usually around other aspects of their app store.

awinter-py 4y ago

yeah, doing this automatically from code would be amazing (and probably required complex dataflow linting to ensure it) even for apps that aren't open source, a trusted third party can run an analyzer on the source code to generate something like this; you can also have internal dashes that track what has been shared, how many times, and what triggered the share. you can hook into settings and toggle specific sharing on / off, you can ban certain kinds of sharing entirely. tools like skyflow are already trying to provide this for regulated PII

indymike 4y ago

I've been using iubenda to do this for my products.

bozhark 4y ago

If code got a “Nutritional Information” style label, I would switch from hardware to software. Or at least add it. MSDS for code!