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Is Ruby on Rails experience mandatory? It appears to be an important requirement and application question.

by yunohn 4y ago

lylo 4y ago
Yes it is. The job ad states: We’re looking for candidates with a strong track record of putting Rails to work and bringing products to life. You should be experienced in the framework, in Ruby, and with the staples of full-stack web development: HTTP, HTML, JavaScript, and CSS.
- yunohn 4y ago
  Thanks the the update. The reason I ask is because it severely limits the applicant pool. For example, I have years of Django experience, and now I work fully in Nodejs/TS. Anecdotally, this is the case for a lot of people that I know. Moreover, I don’t see a situation where I can get deep RoR experience from the industry now. Do you see this sentiment from other applicants? How are you getting enough RoR experts?
  - pizza234 4y ago
    > How are you getting enough RoR experts? This is very interesting. At my company we've had problems with finding senior Rails devs, which constrasts with the "great resignation" theory. I think that the pool of senior RoR devs is restricting nowadays (due to the framework/language's loss of appeal), but the is a small number of Rails big techs (and famous companies, including 37signals) that are still very desirable, so they may not have problems in finding candidates.
    - yunohn 4y ago
      Indeed, and presumably given DHH’s philosophy, 37signals intends to be in business for a very long time. How will they ensure a stable pipeline of experienced RoR engineers? Sidenote - IMO Django and RoR are unmatched in developer productivity - all modern alternatives have mind-numbing levels of boilerplate and bike shedding.
      - haskellandchill 4y ago
        37signals will never have trouble hiring, they are so well known and respected.
        yunohn 4y ago
        My point is that the supply of RoR engineers is limited and dwindling. It’s not sustainable long term. Maybe 37Signals thinks otherwise…
        haskellandchill 4y ago
        You’re wrong, Rails is still very much alive. Also the idea of x language developer is outdated, as long as you know the language and framework and have done more than nothing with it there’s more flexibility these days especially for senior engineers.
        yunohn 4y ago
        Rails may very much be alive, but this thread began because strong RoR experience is mandatory for this role. This isn’t a generic discussion.
    - haskellandchill 4y ago
      You need senior Rails devs? I could apply. What's the company?
danbmil99 4y ago
Just a minor troll: I have 10+ yrs experience with Django, none with RoR. I suspect I could take a RoR position and do just fine, budgeting myself 5-10 hrs non-billed per week to get up the learning curve. But why would I do that when all the evidence I've seen lately is that Python + Node are the present & future (maybe add go, rust), whereas RoR peaked years ago and is becoming a legacy/maintenance job? Why fill my head with that? When is the last time anyone has heard of a company building from scratch on Ruby?

Is Ruby on Rails experience mandatory? It appears to be an important requirement and application question.

by yunohn 4y ago

Is Ruby on Rails experience mandatory? It appears to be an important requirement and application question.

lylo 4y ago

Yes it is. The job ad states: We’re looking for candidates with a strong track record of putting Rails to work and bringing products to life. You should be experienced in the framework, in Ruby, and with the staples of full-stack web development: HTTP, HTML, JavaScript, and CSS.

yunohn 4y ago
Thanks the the update. The reason I ask is because it severely limits the applicant pool. For example, I have years of Django experience, and now I work fully in Nodejs/TS. Anecdotally, this is the case for a lot of people that I know. Moreover, I don’t see a situation where I can get deep RoR experience from the industry now. Do you see this sentiment from other applicants? How are you getting enough RoR experts?
- pizza234 4y ago
  > How are you getting enough RoR experts? This is very interesting. At my company we've had problems with finding senior Rails devs, which constrasts with the "great resignation" theory. I think that the pool of senior RoR devs is restricting nowadays (due to the framework/language's loss of appeal), but the is a small number of Rails big techs (and famous companies, including 37signals) that are still very desirable, so they may not have problems in finding candidates.
  - yunohn 4y ago
    Indeed, and presumably given DHH’s philosophy, 37signals intends to be in business for a very long time. How will they ensure a stable pipeline of experienced RoR engineers? Sidenote - IMO Django and RoR are unmatched in developer productivity - all modern alternatives have mind-numbing levels of boilerplate and bike shedding.
    - haskellandchill 4y ago
      37signals will never have trouble hiring, they are so well known and respected.
      - yunohn 4y ago
        My point is that the supply of RoR engineers is limited and dwindling. It’s not sustainable long term. Maybe 37Signals thinks otherwise…
        haskellandchill 4y ago
        You’re wrong, Rails is still very much alive. Also the idea of x language developer is outdated, as long as you know the language and framework and have done more than nothing with it there’s more flexibility these days especially for senior engineers.
        yunohn 4y ago
        Rails may very much be alive, but this thread began because strong RoR experience is mandatory for this role. This isn’t a generic discussion.
  - haskellandchill 4y ago
    You need senior Rails devs? I could apply. What's the company?

danbmil99 4y ago

Just a minor troll: I have 10+ yrs experience with Django, none with RoR. I suspect I could take a RoR position and do just fine, budgeting myself 5-10 hrs non-billed per week to get up the learning curve. But why would I do that when all the evidence I've seen lately is that Python + Node are the present & future (maybe add go, rust), whereas RoR peaked years ago and is becoming a legacy/maintenance job? Why fill my head with that? When is the last time anyone has heard of a company building from scratch on Ruby?