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> The Tora has exactly zero passages about it being OK to murder children Now, go and crush Amalek; put him under the curse of destruction with all that he pos

> The Tora has exactly zero passages about it being OK to murder children Now, go and crush Amalek; put him under the curse of destruction with all that he possesses. Do not spare him, but kill man and woman, babe and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. - 1 Samuel 15 That's one example. The old testament claims God commanded the total extermination of multiple nations competing with the Israelites [1]. This extermination is celebrated to this day during the Purim festival [2]. When someone mentions Judeo-Christian morality, know that the first part of that duo is not remotely "turn the other cheek" - it is literally old testament. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_warfare#Wars_of_extermination_in_the_Tanakh_and_Jewish_responses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_warfare#Wars_of_ex... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek#Jewish_traditions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek#Jewish_traditions

belter 4y ago
This reminds of something I found quite interesting at the time. "The Holy Quran Experiment": https://youtu.be/zEnWw_lH4tQ https://youtu.be/zEnWw_lH4tQ
mcv 4y ago
This might be overly pedantic of me, but Samuel is not part of the Torah. It's part of the Nevi'im.
- psyc 4y ago
  Here's some classic leadership from Moses. Numbers 31:17 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves" And from the Big Guy Himself, Deuteronomy 20: "As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves [...] However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites" Does that count as one isolated instance, or six? (Just btw: I offer the above merely as a counterexample to a rather glaring claim, not as a criticism of Judaism. Just because I was taught as a small child, by christians, that everyone who disobeys god deserves to die, and if they don't it's solely due to his mercy, doesn't mean everybody contextualizes these passages that way. Also, the term "murder" is slippery because it isn't a synonym of "kill". If you argue an instance of slaughtering people is justified or legal, you can make it "not murder" by mere definition.)
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belter 4y ago

This reminds of something I found quite interesting at the time. "The Holy Quran Experiment": https://youtu.be/zEnWw_lH4tQ https://youtu.be/zEnWw_lH4tQ

mcv 4y ago

This might be overly pedantic of me, but Samuel is not part of the Torah. It's part of the Nevi'im.

psyc 4y ago
Here's some classic leadership from Moses. Numbers 31:17 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves" And from the Big Guy Himself, Deuteronomy 20: "As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves [...] However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites" Does that count as one isolated instance, or six? (Just btw: I offer the above merely as a counterexample to a rather glaring claim, not as a criticism of Judaism. Just because I was taught as a small child, by christians, that everyone who disobeys god deserves to die, and if they don't it's solely due to his mercy, doesn't mean everybody contextualizes these passages that way. Also, the term "murder" is slippery because it isn't a synonym of "kill". If you argue an instance of slaughtering people is justified or legal, you can make it "not murder" by mere definition.)

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