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I thought that's common knowledge? The lifespan decrease from effective steroids, I mean. When making the decision voluntarily, you trade years of life for bet

by jotm 4y ago

I thought that's common knowledge? The lifespan decrease from effective steroids, I mean. When making the decision voluntarily, you trade years of life for better quality of life. Which is a tradeoff many people would accept.

cafard 4y ago
Better quality of life for yourself, or for the GDR sports administration?
cgh 4y ago
There’s little evidence that modest courses of anabolic steroids lead to shortened lifespans. Millions of men are on legally-prescribed steroids right now, although we call it “trt”. The East Germans were in relatively unique circumstances, likely comparable or even beyond modern professional bodybuilding dosages, which are in turn way beyond what any professional athlete would take. From the article: “Freyberger: The magnitude in East Germany was likely unique. Unbeknownst to them, the athletes were given heavy anabolic steroids along with sex and growth hormones, often in extremely high doses. For many of the victims, the consequences have been dramatic, some of which are only appearing now, decades later.”
wolverine876 4y ago
> When making the decision voluntarily, you trade years of life for better quality of life. If you are well-informed about the decision. Most are not, and realistically will not understand the costs and benefits. That's why we don't let companies sell dangrous things freely. > Which is a tradeoff many people would accept. I'm not sure what that means. What tradeoff would many accept? It depends on the benefit and the cost. Of course people would take eliminating excruciating chronic back pain at the cost of losing a day of life, but they would not take eliminating hangnails at the cost of losing 10 years. I'm sure you know that; my point is, what are you actually saying?
StevePerkins 4y ago
I'm very surprised that you're being downvoted here, or lead on frivolous logical goose chases by replies. Everyone... just make-believe that we're talking about recreational drugs. Rather than a class of drugs that you and your social cohort do NOT take to get high, or to self-medicate your self-diagnosed mental health disorders. Perhaps that thought experiment will help?
- jotm 4y ago
  I was actually wondering if this is not common knowledge. People getting Testosterone Replacement Therapy are warned about the negative effects including a shorter lifespan. Bodybuilders using steroids know about it. ~10 years is a common figure. That people who were (involuntarily) given high doses die early is not a surprise. Outside sports, steroids do have their place, even with such a seemingly serious drawback. But yeah, articles like these are used to drive fear and bans for a lot of drugs. Then they wonder why so many people fall for homeopathy. Because they can't get anything else, that's why.
- carapace 4y ago
  Help what? OP is likely getting downvoted because the East German doping victims weren't "accepting a tradeoff", eh?

by jotm 4y ago

cafard 4y ago

Better quality of life for yourself, or for the GDR sports administration?

cgh 4y ago

There’s little evidence that modest courses of anabolic steroids lead to shortened lifespans. Millions of men are on legally-prescribed steroids right now, although we call it “trt”. The East Germans were in relatively unique circumstances, likely comparable or even beyond modern professional bodybuilding dosages, which are in turn way beyond what any professional athlete would take. From the article: “Freyberger: The magnitude in East Germany was likely unique. Unbeknownst to them, the athletes were given heavy anabolic steroids along with sex and growth hormones, often in extremely high doses. For many of the victims, the consequences have been dramatic, some of which are only appearing now, decades later.”

wolverine876 4y ago

> When making the decision voluntarily, you trade years of life for better quality of life. If you are well-informed about the decision. Most are not, and realistically will not understand the costs and benefits. That's why we don't let companies sell dangrous things freely. > Which is a tradeoff many people would accept. I'm not sure what that means. What tradeoff would many accept? It depends on the benefit and the cost. Of course people would take eliminating excruciating chronic back pain at the cost of losing a day of life, but they would not take eliminating hangnails at the cost of losing 10 years. I'm sure you know that; my point is, what are you actually saying?

StevePerkins 4y ago

I'm very surprised that you're being downvoted here, or lead on frivolous logical goose chases by replies. Everyone... just make-believe that we're talking about recreational drugs. Rather than a class of drugs that you and your social cohort do NOT take to get high, or to self-medicate your self-diagnosed mental health disorders. Perhaps that thought experiment will help?

jotm 4y ago
I was actually wondering if this is not common knowledge. People getting Testosterone Replacement Therapy are warned about the negative effects including a shorter lifespan. Bodybuilders using steroids know about it. ~10 years is a common figure. That people who were (involuntarily) given high doses die early is not a surprise. Outside sports, steroids do have their place, even with such a seemingly serious drawback. But yeah, articles like these are used to drive fear and bans for a lot of drugs. Then they wonder why so many people fall for homeopathy. Because they can't get anything else, that's why.
carapace 4y ago
Help what? OP is likely getting downvoted because the East German doping victims weren't "accepting a tradeoff", eh?