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Why just transmen?

• nerdponx 4y ago
  • avs733 4y ago
    Oh I know, I just prefer to make them say it rather than trade in ambiguities. You’ll notice when someone asks for a deeper explanation of ambiguous dehumanization they tend to not respond.
    • duxup 4y ago
      > You’ll notice when someone asks for a deeper explanation of ambiguous dehumanization they tend to not respond. That sounds like a strange method of just confirming what you already believe.
      • avs733 4y ago
        it has nothing to do with me, it has to do with people saying what they mean so others can see it. Purposeful ambiguity is a constant effort by fascist groups to try and introduce ideas into discourse while simultaneously denying them trying to undermine critics. c.f. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/08/14/clash-highlights-extremists-skill-bending-words/EQZAyrZrOiLki5gWsJc03H/story.html https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/08/14/clash-hig... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right-online-humor-as-a-weapon-facism https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/23/alt-right...
        • duxup 4y ago
          If they never respond why assume it is "purposeful ambiguity"? Like I said, that's a recipe of just confirming your own suspicions all the time ... I often don't respond to folks who greatly misunderstand or take my meaning to be something it is very much not. I don't find that it is worth engaging with folks who assume the worst of people / are policing internet discussions for any distant hint of "fascist groups" or whatever they're looking for.
          • 0des 4y ago
            Also sometimes people ask a question, but its not really a question, its a veiled invite to spar verbally. Indulging those remarks are aiding in your own abuse.
            • duxup 4y ago
              Indeed. Thus all the "no I'm saying X, not Y, I don't agree with Y" and the folks just want to go on about how I said Y.
  • greggsy 4y ago
    I’d normally consider it to be a valid topic of discussion, but I’m really only in this thread to read about East German doping.
  • elhudy 4y ago
    • netizen-936824 4y ago
      • elhudy 4y ago
        I think the term you are looking for is an "appeal to nature" which differs from the naturalistic fallacy. My comment was not appealing to nature, in that it made no judgement - good OR bad - in defining the synthesis and self-infusion of hormones as unnatural. It just is unnatural. By definition. In contrast with the OP's comment, I believe that's something we should all be able to accept without strife. While it's true that everything we do is literally a part of nature (nature being the world around us), it makes sense to have a word to define biological substances or events that wouldn't otherwise occur without human intervention. E.g. artificial colors, artificial flavoring.
        • netizen-936824 4y ago
          But why is it important to make the distinction We don't have a distinction for when other animals do things, there's no logical reason to separate humans
          • elhudy 4y ago
            We do have adjectives to distinguish things that other animals do. When a baby sucks on a teat it is mammalian. When turtle dives underwater then comes out on land to bathe, it is amphibious. When something takes flight it is avian. Humans are unequivocally more advanced than other animals, so to represent those actions which wouldn't otherwise occur without human presence, we use the term "unnatural". It's a nice adjective - albeit in the context of transgender modification "unnatural" serves no scientific basis, it is just a descriptor, if that's what you're getting at.
  • dtx1 4y ago
  • plextrum 4y ago
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• samatman 4y ago
  Because people with XX chromosomes who use supplementary testosterone have a distinct medical profile, whether or not they chose it voluntarily. It would be weird, in fact, to wonder about trans women, hormones aren't that fungible. We could also compare the East German athletes with bodybuilders if we wanted, of both sexes and any gender. Turns out they die early as well. Also, if you're going to go wading into these waters online: the spelling trans men is preferred over transmen. Edit to add: Trans men includes Buck Angel, so let's not pretend there's an arbitrary limit on testosterone use there. Much like cis men, some trans men want muscles much larger than any normal amount of testosterone will produce.
  • netizen-936824 4y ago
    People who dope with PEDs use a higher concentration of testosterone than is naturally present. That is what causes the issues
    • samatman 4y ago
      Men die earlier than women, even after you account for accident, and testosterone is the leading candidate for why. There's no argument from nature to be made about medically boosting hormone levels.
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  • plextrum 4y ago