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> there is a solid understanding (in the more professional community at least) Hmm. I don't know about that. There has been a spate of recent deaths of profess

by atchoo 4y ago

> there is a solid understanding (in the more professional community at least) Hmm. I don't know about that. There has been a spate of recent deaths of professional bodybuilders in their 30s and 40s despite more knowledge and health checks. The problem with PEDs in competitive sports is that in many cases, higher doses mean more results. It pushes competitors and coaches out of what might be safe usage into high risk. Although use is admitted in bodybuilding, the vast doses and number of compounds is something most lie / downplay with only a few whistleblowers sharing real world usage. > Another more serious issue are the effects of extreme weight cutting Also a PED issue. Some of the Shelby Starne's stacks used in recent deaths of female bodybuilders are insane. Stacking 3 different diuretics, multiple types of stimulant... my god. They looked like they were designed to give people heart attacks.

zemvpferreira 4y ago
You have a good take on this. Matter of fact is we have very little data on the role of anabolics on mortality/longevity. What we do have on pro-level dosages is almost completely negative. We can say with some confidence that a small TRT dosage would be beneficial for almost all seniors. But small means really small, just enough to bring their hormones up to par with an average 50 year old body. Anything above that has non-negligible risks for any population and I hope no one will use PEDs with the assumption that they'll never pay a health price for it. I wish it were different but it is what it is.
dav_Oz 4y ago
Yes, you might be on the right track here 'cause I honestly lack a well founded overview over the scene as a whole. So I correct myself: From the things I've selectively listen to or read about [0] they at least are more knowledgeable about their "stuff" or more open to share their experiences as compared to other competitive athletes. If they act accordingly (on average) is up to a thorough analysis which I've not encountered so far. I can imagine as with other performance driven activities there is certainly a lot of potential for reckless abuse given the highly competitive nature. [0]https://moreplatesmoredates.com/anabolic-steroid-family-tree/ https://moreplatesmoredates.com/anabolic-steroid-family-tree...

by atchoo 4y ago

zemvpferreira 4y ago

You have a good take on this. Matter of fact is we have very little data on the role of anabolics on mortality/longevity. What we do have on pro-level dosages is almost completely negative. We can say with some confidence that a small TRT dosage would be beneficial for almost all seniors. But small means really small, just enough to bring their hormones up to par with an average 50 year old body. Anything above that has non-negligible risks for any population and I hope no one will use PEDs with the assumption that they'll never pay a health price for it. I wish it were different but it is what it is.

dav_Oz 4y ago

Yes, you might be on the right track here 'cause I honestly lack a well founded overview over the scene as a whole. So I correct myself: From the things I've selectively listen to or read about [0] they at least are more knowledgeable about their "stuff" or more open to share their experiences as compared to other competitive athletes. If they act accordingly (on average) is up to a thorough analysis which I've not encountered so far. I can imagine as with other performance driven activities there is certainly a lot of potential for reckless abuse given the highly competitive nature. [0]https://moreplatesmoredates.com/anabolic-steroid-family-tree/ https://moreplatesmoredates.com/anabolic-steroid-family-tree...