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Also all the exams are blind/anonymous, and recruitment strictly based on grades. Or at least they used to be. Despite this the French system has a very low ra
by cm2187 4y ago
Also all the exams are blind/anonymous, and recruitment strictly based on grades. Or at least they used to be.
Despite this the French system has a very low rate of social mobility, and the overwhelming majority of students in top colleges come from parents within the system.
Now there are good reasons for social background to be sticky (not the least because I don’t buy the tabula rasa theory that your genes account for nothing in your intellectual capacity, and for the part they don’t, well how your parent raised you should matter), but it is implausible that such concentration is a natural outcome (the respective size of elite vs non elites in the country is such that even with a high natural stickiness, you should still see half or at least a third of a top college generation coming from non elite families, I think France is in the <5% territory).
Having graduated decades ago and not living in France, I follow it from afar, but it looks like the government is actively trying to eliminate the meritocracy part of the system. By preventing elite high school from selecting their own students, by creating as many parallel admissions to colleges that were purely competitive exams based.
I have mixed feelings about it. One one side I like the idea of a cursus to be purely merit based. On the other side the obsession of the French with education is unhealthy, where your career at 50 is still determined by an exam you sit 30 years before, and this tendency of having clubs within clubs for the elite to run the country with little competence or accountability (again an exam you did when you were 20 doesn’t qualify you for everything) has lead to fuck ups after abuses after frauds. I would prefer a decentralised german style system where (from what I understand) what matters is the student, not the name of the college.
- matthewdgreen 4y agoThe desire to pass advantages to our children is one of the most powerful driving forces in the human psyche. Any system that isn't adversarially designed and constantly-tuned to fight this desire will eventually succumb to it.
- 908B64B197 4y ago> and for the part they don’t, well how your parent raised you should matter I think you nailed it. There's a strong cultural component to doing well in school. Just the parent's perception of schooling matters a lot (is reading for fun something they do or encourage?). And of course there's a lot of implicit knowledge about test taking and what really matters at school. Someone who navigated these exams before will be a much better guide for sure. > By preventing elite high school from selecting their own students, by creating as many parallel admissions to colleges that were purely competitive exams based. How much of that is to increase racial diversity? > On the other side the obsession of the French with education is unhealthy, where your career at 50 is still determined by an exam you sit 30 years before, and this tendency of having clubs within clubs for the elite to run the country with little competence or accountability Maybe that's why there are so many French expats here in the Valley!