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Yes. One could easily argue the other way. >The magnitude in East Germany was likely unique. Unbeknownst to them, the athletes were given heavy anabolic steroi
by dav_Oz 4y ago
Yes. One could easily argue the other way.
>The magnitude in East Germany was likely unique. Unbeknownst to them, the athletes were given heavy anabolic steroids along with sex and growth hormones, often in extremely high doses. For many of the victims, the consequences have been dramatic, some of which are only appearing now, decades later.
The other thing which is missing in that rather myopic conversation is that after their careers are over most competitive athletes in general have a hard time adjusting to a more "mundane" life which is understandable given that they were training since their childhood to be the best in their respective sport.
Money to some extent can bridge that gap but in most sports there isn't much money to be made in the first place.
Now give this into the mix of the accumulated harm to the body - at that level you are taking that willingly into account - and some insane overdosing to somehow sustain the damage in a system with unchecked incentives (ideological view), you now have a very clear signal.
In classic bodybuilding where historically virtually all half-openly use/experiment with all kinds of PEDs, one can observe that with time and experience the dosings of e.g. TRT and GH are being finely titrated now. Additionaly because of the more open culture around that topic there is a solid understanding (in the more professional community at least) about the benefits and potential side effects.
Another more serious issue are the effects of extreme weight cutting but I'll leave it at that.
- raverbashing 4y ago> Another more serious issue are the effects of extreme weight cutting but I'll leave it at that. Agree. That is one serious elephant in the room.
- atchoo 4y ago> there is a solid understanding (in the more professional community at least) Hmm. I don't know about that. There has been a spate of recent deaths of professional bodybuilders in their 30s and 40s despite more knowledge and health checks. The problem with PEDs in competitive sports is that in many cases, higher doses mean more results. It pushes competitors and coaches out of what might be safe usage into high risk. Although use is admitted in bodybuilding, the vast doses and number of compounds is something most lie / downplay with only a few whistleblowers sharing real world usage. > Another more serious issue are the effects of extreme weight cutting Also a PED issue. Some of the Shelby Starne's stacks used in recent deaths of female bodybuilders are insane. Stacking 3 different diuretics, multiple types of stimulant... my god. They looked like they were designed to give people heart attacks.
- zemvpferreira 4y agoYou have a good take on this. Matter of fact is we have very little data on the role of anabolics on mortality/longevity. What we do have on pro-level dosages is almost completely negative. We can say with some confidence that a small TRT dosage would be beneficial for almost all seniors. But small means really small, just enough to bring their hormones up to par with an average 50 year old body. Anything above that has non-negligible risks for any population and I hope no one will use PEDs with the assumption that they'll never pay a health price for it. I wish it were different but it is what it is.
- dav_Oz 4y agoYes, you might be on the right track here 'cause I honestly lack a well founded overview over the scene as a whole. So I correct myself: From the things I've selectively listen to or read about [0] they at least are more knowledgeable about their "stuff" or more open to share their experiences as compared to other competitive athletes. If they act accordingly (on average) is up to a thorough analysis which I've not encountered so far. I can imagine as with other performance driven activities there is certainly a lot of potential for reckless abuse given the highly competitive nature. [0]https://moreplatesmoredates.com/anabolic-steroid-family-tree/ https://moreplatesmoredates.com/anabolic-steroid-family-tree...