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The first thing that came to mind here was the relatively recent shift in the spelling of the Ukrainian capital: what was once Kiev is now Kyiv. Very quickly, W

The first thing that came to mind here was the relatively recent shift in the spelling of the Ukrainian capital: what was once Kiev is now Kyiv. Very quickly, Western media and consumer-focused brands changed their spelling to the Ukrainian national preference, obviously in the wake of the Russian invasion. I wonder if a similar rapid shift will take place with regards to Turkey/Türkiye, or whether it will be more of a Czech Republic/Czechia thing where, despite being the official name since 2016 at the UN, the name Czech Republic remains largely in use.

raxxorraxor 4y ago
Or still having Czechoslovakia...
- Markoff 4y ago
  well they keep using Czechoslovak flag (the blue triangle represents Slovakia) despite agreement they signed that they won't do it, so it's only fair to ignore the new name as well - Czechia with Czechoslovak flag = Czechoslovakia, Slovakia with Slovak flag = Slovakia
troon-lover 4y ago
karmakaze 4y ago
We've also had Peking -> Beijing
akvadrako 4y ago
? It's been Kyiv since well before the Crimea invasion.
- docdeek 4y ago
  It's likely been Kyiv in Ukraine even longer than that. I was referring to the wave of mainstream media stories around renaming things like Chicken Kiev to Chicken Kyiv as a result of the war. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10551661/Change-chicken-kiev-chicken-KYIV-Shoppers-call-UK-supermarkets-stand-Ukraine.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10551661/Change-chi...
lamontcg 4y ago
It reminds me a bit more of people who correct "Ka-tar" to be "Cutter" even though all three vowel sounds in the actual pronunciation of the country don't exist in English (and the actual Qataris don't care and won't correct you if you use "Ka-tar"). Also this rant is pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjcX3MVSdyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjcX3MVSdyA Kyiv is a bit more obvious since it is being done to show support for Ukraine (which means that certain people will lose their minds over it being "performative" to show their support but yes, that's why people are doing it -- and it should be obvious why actual Ukrainians might have a sore spot over a more Russian-sounding pronunciation of their capital right now). That one at least has a strong common emotional reason behind it. In other cases we get weird fetishes for non-English pronunciations in English even though we don't for thousands of other place names.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  *all three consonant sounds

raxxorraxor 4y ago

Or still having Czechoslovakia...

Markoff 4y ago
well they keep using Czechoslovak flag (the blue triangle represents Slovakia) despite agreement they signed that they won't do it, so it's only fair to ignore the new name as well - Czechia with Czechoslovak flag = Czechoslovakia, Slovakia with Slovak flag = Slovakia

troon-lover 4y ago

karmakaze 4y ago

We've also had Peking -> Beijing

akvadrako 4y ago

? It's been Kyiv since well before the Crimea invasion.

docdeek 4y ago
It's likely been Kyiv in Ukraine even longer than that. I was referring to the wave of mainstream media stories around renaming things like Chicken Kiev to Chicken Kyiv as a result of the war. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10551661/Change-chicken-kiev-chicken-KYIV-Shoppers-call-UK-supermarkets-stand-Ukraine.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10551661/Change-chi...

lamontcg 4y ago

It reminds me a bit more of people who correct "Ka-tar" to be "Cutter" even though all three vowel sounds in the actual pronunciation of the country don't exist in English (and the actual Qataris don't care and won't correct you if you use "Ka-tar"). Also this rant is pretty good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjcX3MVSdyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjcX3MVSdyA Kyiv is a bit more obvious since it is being done to show support for Ukraine (which means that certain people will lose their minds over it being "performative" to show their support but yes, that's why people are doing it -- and it should be obvious why actual Ukrainians might have a sore spot over a more Russian-sounding pronunciation of their capital right now). That one at least has a strong common emotional reason behind it. In other cases we get weird fetishes for non-English pronunciations in English even though we don't for thousands of other place names.

lamontcg 4y ago
*all three consonant sounds